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.RJ · 04-15-2005, 11:09 AM

Mike Wrote:it can't be a world apart from riding a mountain bike, which most of us can do

Well.......

Wink

**JohnC** · 04-15-2005, 11:10 AM

G.Irish Wrote:All those that know how to ride a dirtbike with wild abandon and little regard for their safety or the safety of those around them raise their hand...

:raises hand:

Dragon · 04-15-2005, 11:11 AM

Wonder what the entrance fee is.

**Mike** · 04-15-2005, 11:11 AM

dirt biking it is... g, i only found two of those on ebay... both 3000+

i want something cheap to start on if i'm gonna do this.

Dragon · 04-15-2005, 11:14 AM

Get a bike and then you can come practice with the Mini Motards when they come to Allsports.

**Mike** · 04-15-2005, 11:21 AM

Dragon Wrote:Wonder what the entrance fee is.

probably little to nothing since the prizes are non-existent.

Maengelito · 04-15-2005, 12:08 PM

Mike Wrote:it can't be a world apart from riding a mountain bike, which most of us can do

ummm, not that i ride either, but i can think of a few differences between mountain bikes and dirt bikes

**Mike** · 04-15-2005, 01:44 PM

no shit you fuck... the motor skills required are about the same.

**JohnC** · 04-15-2005, 01:49 PM

Mike Wrote:no shit you fuck... the motor skills required are about the same.

Have you ever ridden a dirt bike?

**Mike** · 04-15-2005, 01:53 PM

no, but can you honestly say it is a world apart from riding a bike? world apart, not different, because yes i agree it is different... world apart.

**JohnC** · 04-15-2005, 02:11 PM

Mike Wrote:no, but can you honestly say it is a world apart from riding a bike? world apart, not different, because yes i agree it is different... world apart.

Weak. And trying to hide behind semantics is lame, even for you :roll:

Here are the major differences in my experience:

Power - I can't peddle a mountain bike (on a level surface, or uphill) to a speed at which I would be uncomfortable. I can do 75mph on my dirtbike with no effort at all. I can pop a mountain bike up on its back wheel, but I can't flip it over from a dead stop. I flipped the dirt bike the first time I got on it.

Balance - Hard to explain, but it just *feels* vastly different to me. My dirt bike rides much higher than a mountain bike, but the center of gravity is probably lower, because the damn thing weighs a few hundred pounds. Picking it up can be a complicated affair, especially if you drop it in a gully, or downslope of you.

Control - Closely related to the above, controlling a dirt bike is much different. Wider turning radius, easily lost traction, having to think about shifter, clutch, throttle modulation, etc.

So there. Really, really different beasts.

Dragon · 04-15-2005, 02:17 PM

<sarcasm> Bah whatever, they both run on two wheels only so they must be the same. </sarcasm>

Evan · 04-15-2005, 02:23 PM

weight transfer, balance, technique, vision, turning the bike are all similar between pedal-your-own and motored bikes.

To say that the skills do not transfer from one to the other is just silly

Evan · 04-15-2005, 02:35 PM

JohnC Wrote:Power - I can't peddle a mountain bike (on a level surface, or uphill) to a speed at which I would be uncomfortable.

Then you arent going on real mt. biking trails. Ill take you on trails that will scare the shit out of you. 6" wide singletrack downhill with rocks, roots while you crank the gears. You will reach for the brake levers before you even hit 15mph.

Quote:I can pop a mountain bike up on its back wheel, but I can't flip it over from a dead stop. I flipped the dirt bike the first time I got on it.

what is your point? flipping has nothing to do with riding.

Quote:Balance - Hard to explain, but it just *feels* vastly different to me. ...

Sure, it feels different. So do Fwd and rwd cars, 100hp and 300hp cars, so do different types of tires and suspension, but you sure as shit arent starting over from scratch when you move from one to the other.

Quote:Control - Closely related to the above, controlling a dirt bike is much different. Wider turning radius, easily lost traction, having to think about shifter, clutch, throttle modulation, etc.

27 gears. Which you cant shift while mashing the pedals. If you arent thinking while mt. biking, you arent riding fast enough.

For the same reason that starting off driving a slower car on track will make you a better driver, mt. biking will make you a better motorcycle rider. You dont have a lot of power to compensate for mistakes, you learn to maintain momentum, you have no 12" travel cushy suspension to handle the bumps so you learn to absorb them with your legs, elbows, and shifting your weight. You have a more direct contact with the trail and the bike so you learn to quickly recognize traction level, how much "power" you can put down, and what your bike is doing.

**Mike** · 04-15-2005, 03:07 PM

evan covered most of it... but if you cannot flip a mountain bike from a standstill, you're in the wrong gear or you have weak legs Smile

**JohnC** · 04-15-2005, 03:46 PM

The guy who failed Hooked on Phonics Wrote:
Quote:Power - I can't peddle a mountain bike (on a level surface, or uphill) to a speed at which I would be uncomfortable.
Then you arent going on real mt. biking trails. Ill take you on trails that will scare the shit out of you. 6" wide singletrack downhill with rocks, roots while you crank the gears. You will reach for the brake levers before you even hit 15mph.

Reading comprehension owns you. That being said, downhill on a dirt bike is fun too. The situation you mentioned above, but with a 2-stroke screaming under the seat. A visceral experience, to say the least. Mountain bikers and dirt bikers share a similar sense of insanity.

He who missed the point Wrote:
Quote:I can pop a mountain bike up on its back wheel, but I can't flip it over from a dead stop. I flipped the dirt bike the first time I got on it.
what is your point? flipping has nothing to do with riding.

No, but it is an excellent illustration of power delivery, and the speed with which power can be applied with a dirt bike vs. a mountain bike.

Captain Obvious Wrote:
Quote:Balance - Hard to explain, but it just *feels* vastly different to me. ...
Sure, it feels different. So do Fwd and rwd cars, 100hp and 300hp cars, so do different types of tires and suspension, but you sure as shit arent starting over from scratch when you move from one to the other.

I agree.

Someone who can count to 27 Wrote:
Quote:Control - Closely related to the above, controlling a dirt bike is much different. Wider turning radius, easily lost traction, having to think about shifter, clutch, throttle modulation, etc.
27 gears. Which you cant shift while mashing the pedals. If you arent thinking while mt. biking, you arent riding fast enough.

Thats a lot of gears. Dirt bike riding also involves thinking. Sometimes.

Evan (for lack of a better name) Wrote:For the same reason that starting off driving a slower car on track will make you a better driver, mt. biking will make you a better motorcycle rider.

Most definitely.

So Evan, have you ever ridden a dirt bike? If so, what was your experience coming from mountain biking? (rather than just a tirade about how wicked awesome mountain biking is)

**JohnC** · 04-15-2005, 03:47 PM

Mike Wrote:evan covered most of it... but if you cannot flip a mountain bike from a standstill, you're in the wrong gear or you have weak legs

Can you flip it, without leaning backwards? I would pay to see that Smile

**Mike** · 04-15-2005, 04:06 PM

yes, just on sheer pedaling.

so are you gonna take us dirt biking?

**JohnC** · 04-15-2005, 04:15 PM

Mike Wrote:yes, just on sheer pedaling.

so are you gonna take us dirt biking?

Absolutely. We're gonna have another cookout this summer at our place - anyone who comes is welcome to try and injure themselves on my dirtbike Smile

ScottyB · 04-15-2005, 07:31 PM

Mike Wrote:yes, just on sheer pedaling.

i'm with mike. if i have my bike in the lowest gear (27th i guess?) its almost hard to keep the front wheel on the ground, on level ground (and therefore pretty tough to climb in if finesse isnt used). simply slamming the pedal makes the front end hop a few inches.

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