What should I go test drive?
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H'ok. My current contract w/AOL is up in February, and as far as I know I'm on track to convert to a salaried position, accompanied with a pretty decent bump in pay. My car just rolled over 180k and has, among many other issues, a pretty significant headgasket seep, so I'd like to buy a daily pretty soon after converting to salary and stop driving the M3 so I can actually fix things more frequently than I break them. For once.

I have a pretty good idea of what my salary will be, and about how much I want to spend on a daily driver, probably more than $7k, probably less than $10k. My "dream" daily is a Merc W211 E320 or E350 Bluetec, but those are still in the mid-$20k range, so that's out of the running for this go-round. (Unless I get a gajillion dollar salary offer or sell the M3, both of which are pretty unlikely.)

So anyway, I'd like to start test driving some stuff pretty soon, so by the time February rolls around I'm ready to start seriously shopping. I currently have an application in to become a member of Navy Federal, which is the only Credit Union I've found that doesn't have age or mileage restrictions on their auto loans. Assuming I become a member there, the cars I'm thinking about are:

02-05 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro 6spd- I know you're going to flame the crap out of me for this because they aren't exactly reliable. But I grew up with a bunch of Audi's and VW's and I really have a soft spot for them. I love the idea of AWD for the 1% of time I could take advantage of it, and the little 1.8T produces a reasonable amount of grunt with a reflash. They can be had for $7-8k in really good shape, which would leave me a nice wide repair budget to pay someone else when the AWD craps out on me.

02ish-05 VW MKIV GTI 5spd- Same engine as the Audi with 10 more hp from the factory and two less wheels to turn. I like the idea of the hatchback for practicality, and it has less parts to break, but the Audi has another gear for the highway and WAY more features. They can be had for $6-8k in great condition too.

04-07 Acura TL Auto- This would be my "full practicality" option. They can be had for $8-9k, and seem to be pretty dead reliable, half of the ones for sale have like 170k+ on them. The upside would be having a car I never really had to worry about, and could just get in and go to work, its also a pretty awesome motor. The downside is the stickshifts are $3-4k more because of the rarity, so it would be a slushbox, and after a while I imagine it would feel like driving a dose of Novocaine to work.

04-07 Acura TSX 6spd- As reliable as the TL, but more nimble and more plentiful in a 3 pedal configuration. The downside is they are effing slow, and torqueless to boot. After having 2??hp on tap for 3.5 years, I don't think I could handle going to a wimpy little naturally asiprated 4-banger. Especially in NOVA's affinity to slam on the brakes at the end of every onramp.

02-06 WRX- This has all the same drivetrain features that make me like the Audi, but the economy car interior is a big turnoff. I might look for a Saabaru "Aero" to test drive and see if the slightly nicer interior trimmings helps out, I think I've seen those sub $10k too.

03-05 BMW 330i 6psd- The price of these have gone into a freefall since the F30 came out. You can get a well optioned one for $8-9k with less than 100k on it. One the one hand, I know pretty much every part on those things inside and out and wouldn't have to learn any new tricks to keep it going. On the other hand, I already had an E46 325i, and I'm currently driving a 3.0L, RWD, stickshift BMW, I'd just like something different, and something I could rely on to get us around in a snowstorm, because Lauren's car is RWD too.

There are a lot of cars I'd love to own but have already ruled out. I've always wanted an E38 740i sporty shorty, but the cost of ownership freaks me out, and we already have one of those 4,4L motors to deal with in Lauren's 540i. You can also get a B6 S4 for under $11k these days, but its for good reason and I should know better than to even think about it. I'd love to have an MKV GTI with the DSG trans, but those are more like $14k which would pretty much decimate my BMW-fixing budget.

So what else should I test drive? I'm looking for something that's a reasonable balance between "nice" (I like leather and heated things), reliable (reliable from the perspective of someone that's been dailying an M3 with 180k on it for 3 years, not from the perspective of a sorority girl) and somewhat fun to drive, while still being quiet and comfortable. I already have a loud rattly sports car, which hopefully will be reborn even louder and a little less rattly sometime next year, so I don't need another one.
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#2
Those are all wildly different cars.

What are your requirements, then we'll go from there.
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SlimKlim Wrote:I'm looking for something that's a reasonable balance between "nice" (I like leather and heated things), reliable (reliable from the perspective of someone that's been dailying an M3 with 180k on it for 3 years, not from the perspective of a sorority girl) and somewhat fun to drive, while still being quiet and comfortable. I already have a loud rattly sports car, which hopefully will be reborn even louder and a little less rattly sometime next year, so I don't need another one.

Basically:

Reasonably nice inside, reasonably comfortable, reasonably quiet. I'd prefer it not put me to sleep when I get behind the wheel, get somewhere over 20mpg, and be decent in the snow. (AWD or FWD, I don't know why I put the E46 in there) I'd also like it to be somewhat reliable, but I grew up on Audi's, VW's, and Saabs, and was weened on a E36 M3, so my definition of "reliable" is considerably more flexible than your average Accord driver.

Oh, and around $10k or less.
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If you look at 04-07 auto TLs, make sure to be careful of the A/T. They are not as bad as the prior gen but still notorious for having issues. Go to Acurazine and do a search for "pressure sensor switches" or something along those lines. My 07 TL-S had a transmission cooler, but I still made sure to swap out those switches and run good AT fluid.

I would also look at '01+ IS300. Talk about a bulletproof car...the only reason mine died was because a late 90s Merc hit it at about 50mph.
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SlimKlim Wrote:02-05 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro 6spd-

02ish-05 VW MKIV GTI 5spd-

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look, i love audis. always have, and i still have some fond memories of my 3 years with my A4...when it wasn't being belligerent. its a dream of mine to own a UrQuattro or UrS4 at some point. but these are not cars, at this age, that anyone should be owning with dreams of dailying them in a carefree, hands-off manner. the 1.8T was a big step towards audi getting mainstream attention because it was good at the time, but its not even worth considering now that the 2.0T exists. the pity about the 1.8T is that on paper, and in raw component form its a promising engine that can make nice numbers. however, its complexity is its downfall and its not a matter of if, but when it'll bite you. and thats just the engine - these cars have a mess of control arms underneath which will likely need attention, the clutches aren't that strong (something that will be exacerbated in heavy traffic), and i hope you're familiar with a VAG-COM diagnostic tool, because if a nearby squirrel farts into the prevailing wind the wrong way its going to throw a CEL.

the MKIV is a pig, and is such a big step down from a MKV that its not worth trying. on top of the aforementioned 1.8T issues, they have plenty of nickel-and-dime BS issues that will probably bring you right back to the pissed off emotional state that your M3 has put you in by now. there are way more enjoyable and practical things to drive for that money.

SlimKlim Wrote:04-07 Acura TL Auto-

04-07 Acura TSX 6spd-

02-06 WRX-

how about a CL-S? they are neat, rare-ish big tourers with a gem of an engine and a 6'er to shift. if you need to carry someone, the back seat is plenty big.

i looked at TSX's a while back and they just hold their value so well it wasn't worth it. kind of sterile to drive. very reliable though, and a nice aftermarket.

if the WRX dash isn't strokable enough for you, try a Saabaru on for size. on top of the nicer interior, you get a quicker steering rack and some other nice little details. they're tough cars but are often picked up by kids that beat the hell out of them, and the used market reflects this. the good news is that less Saabarus were purchased by flat brimmers, so the potential for abused cars is slightly lessened.
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CTS (not V)
Another vote for IS300
Fozzie XT? Might could get one of those for 8500-10k.
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In for this discussion. DDing the XJ @ 16 mpg forever is not going to happen.

Cars I've considered:
TL
WRX wagon
Legacy GT wagon(might be a little outside budget)
Mazda 3 hatch/speed3
IS300 ( good luck finding M/T)
G35
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V1GiLaNtE Wrote:In for this discussion. DDing the XJ @ 16 mpg forever is not going to happen.

Cars I've considered:
TL
WRX wagon
Legacy GT wagon(might be a little outside budget)
Mazda 3 hatch/speed3
<b>IS300 ( good luck finding M/T)</b>
G35

I have one for sale right now!!! With the 5 speed! You've both already test driven it I'm sure!

But in all seriousness - its a great car, dead reliable and relatively fun to drive. Sure its RWD but turthfully in all but the worst weather it does fine. I have fond memories of driving around big jeeps with jersey tags in it at the very start of snowpocolypse haha.
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SlimKlim Wrote:Reasonably nice inside, reasonably comfortable, reasonably quiet. I'd prefer it not put me to sleep when I get behind the wheel, get somewhere over 20mpg, and be decent in the snow. (AWD or FWD, I don't know why I put the E46 in there) I'd also like it to be somewhat reliable, but I grew up on Audi's, VW's, and Saabs, and was weened on a E36 M3, so my definition of "reliable" is considerably more flexible than your average Accord driver.

Oh, and around $10k or less.

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330i ZHP for $12k. AWD/FWD/RWD doesnt matter for snow really, put on good snow tires and you're done. Or, save a little coin with an earlier 330i... its what you know, and they're good cars.
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Sigh. Thanks for the advice Scotty, that's what I need to hear even though I'm addicted to the idea of an A4. Maybe a B7 with the 2.0L or an MKV won't be completely out of the question if I get a decent salary offer. Those are coming down in price lately too and it sounds like the car would last a lot longer in the end. What's your take on the 2.0L versions? Are the motors a significant improvement? I could deal with a mess of control arms, especially if I just saved up some money to just pay someone to overhaul it once it started to shudder.

I'd definitely try out a Saabaru, I've always sort of liked those things and it seems like a lot of car for the money.

The Caddy is a little glitzy for my tastes, and I could check out the IS but I don't know if I want another RWD car. A Fozzie isn't really my style either, and a Honderp doesn't have enough torque.

Cabell I'm with you on the Leggy GT, I'd rock a white one until the wheels fall off, but I haven't seen them for sale for less than $15k and the non-turbo ones seem ball-less. Likewise with the 3/Speed3. The non-tubo is a bit of a pig and the turbah is too expensive. I have always liked the first-gen hatches as a simple little commuter. Maybe I need to get over my horsepower requirements and test drive a regular 3.
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SlimKlim Wrote:I have always liked the first-gen hatches as a simple little commuter. Maybe I need to get over my horsepower requirements and test drive a regular 3.

Honestly, a 2.3 Wagon "vanilla' Mazda3 is what sold me on the Speed3. It was quite a fun car, for being a fwd econopeoplemover.
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330i ZHP for $12k. AWD/FWD/RWD doesnt matter for snow really, put on good snow tires and you're done. Or, save a little coin with an earlier 330i... its what you know, and they're good cars.

That is a good price, and you're right, if I budgeted for a set of winter wheels/tires the RWD concern is taken care of, and if anyone can keep an E46 from dying, its this guy.

I wouldn't pay the premium for the ZHP, at the end of the day its just a cosmetic treatment and 10 extra horsepower over a 330i sport pack. I think the suspension might be a little different, but its just going to be a commuter.

Ok, new list:

-Saabaru
-TL
-330i
-Mazda3 2.3i econopeoplemover
-Maaaaaaaybe an Audi or VW of the 2.0T variant
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nothing from VAG.

wrx seems like a no-brainer to me given your requirements.
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But I love vag...
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TL, best overall balance for what you're looking for. If you get bored driving it, take the M3 a couple days (assuming it's not fully track prepped).
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TL is definitely a serious contender, I've always really liked the styling of that generation, but it sounds like I have some research to do about the A/T.

Forgot the WRX on my list too,

-Saabaru or WRX
-TL
-330i
-Mazda3 2.3i econopeoplemover

All of those can be had for $7-9k.

If I get more of a salary than I'm expecting, I'm still going to look at the A4/GTI, I just love those things even though I know better.
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SlimKlim Wrote:If I get more of a salary than I'm expecting, I'm still going to look at the A4/GTI, I just love those things even though I know better.

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I meant the 2.0T generations if that makes any difference... probably not.
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SlimKlim Wrote:TL is definitely a serious contender, I've always really liked the styling of that generation, but it sounds like I have some research to do about the A/T.

You can get the TL-S with a 6 speed. I ass-u-me they will fit in to your budget. The Non-S are nice cars too and I wouldnt worry about the trans - I think Lee spends too much time worrying about his cars :lol: Its got more or less the same engine/trans as in my Ridgeline and I've had no problems and havent read about any that are endemic to them. After 2006 the honda trans was much improved.

Or get a 330i with an Auto trans. Wont be any worse. For comparable money I dont think there's a better used car buy out there if you're willing to do a little work on them from time to time.

I had an '03 GTI with a K04 that was a lot of fun... There's an R32 on craigslist now for $10k, thats another possibility.
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.RJ Wrote:You can get the TL-S with a 6 speed. I ass-u-me they will fit in to your budget. The Non-S are nice cars too and I wouldnt worry about the trans - I think Lee spends too much time worrying about his cars :lol: Its got more or less the same engine/trans as in my Ridgeline and I've had no problems and havent read about any that are endemic to them. After 2006 the honda trans was much improved.

Or get a 330i with an Auto trans. Wont be any worse. For comparable money I dont think there's a better used car buy out there if you're willing to do a little work on them from time to time.

The Hype-S isn't worth the price premium to me, and having two pedals isn't a deal breaker for me, I'd be fine driving that auto, especially backed up with the gobs of torque that engine makes.

I'd consider the 330i in a stick or auto, my steptronic 325i wasn't a terrible car and I can replace a BMW cooling system in my sleep.

.RJ Wrote:I had an '03 GTI with a K04 that was a lot of fun... There's an R32 on craigslist now for $10k, thats another possibility.

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