Apoc Wrote:Is it coincidence that Ruger is being supported by two domestic-philes and not by those that drive foreign cars? I'm wondering if there some sort of sentimental connection clouding judgment about firearms as there is about cars. :lol:
No it isn't a coincidence.
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Apoc Wrote:Is it coincidence that Ruger is being supported by two domestic-philes and not by those that drive foreign cars? I'm wondering if there some sort of sentimental connection clouding judgment about firearms as there is about cars. :lol:
I've owned more imports than I have domestics 
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Apoc Wrote:Is it coincidence that Ruger is being supported by two domestic-philes and not by those that drive foreign cars? I'm wondering if there some sort of sentimental connection clouding judgment about firearms as there is about cars. :lol:
There definitely is.
Everyone wants to defend the stuff they own. I get that. My whole point is that ruger auto pistols just aren't as good as others, and even Thayer admits that. We just disagree on the degree of "goodness". Everything in that second tier just requires extra attention to make SURE it works right. Once you get one working correctly, it will serve you well. I have a friend with a Taurus beretta knockoff and he didn't have a single failure for 2000 rounds when I informed him he needed to clean and lubricate it. I still wouldn't recommend someone buy one over a nicer gun for a little more money. I mean, should the Kel-tec knockoff be rated higher than the kel tec? :dunno:
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I own a glock... a well used glock, purchased brand spanking new in 2000. but i dont put them in the "top" tier of handguns... but only because they are not as accurate out of a vise as some of the others. Accuracy is part of what the shooter learns... reliability rests with the weapon of choice.
some people say the AR15 is not a reliable weapon.... generally speaking it is very reliable... its the mags that arent reliable.
My thoughts are... Handguns other than 1911s... buy factory mags
AR15s... buy magpuls 
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CaptainHenreh Wrote:Once you get a good grip on it, if it points naturally while you hold it then you're that much farther ahead of the game. Does that make sense? yeah, we're on the same page there, as long as their grip is right. Maybe the advice is fine if you recommend they've been to the range at least once, have shot a few guns, and would like to buy one now. I imagine sending like, my mom, whose never fired, maybe never held a gun, to a show and asking her to hold them all up and see which one feels right. I would expect she'd be pretty out of her element and the results would be worthless.
I would still argue the general handgun category has to be chosen first though. For example, if a decent sized guy defines, hey, I want a CC weapon, and I want it to be small, maybe less than X dimensions, so I can have it on me all the time, even when I'm in shorts and flip flops. Ok, great! Then he should have the expectation that potentially none of the choices is going to feel particularly comfortable or point naturally in his hands. If he's at a table full of guns with no requirements, he'd never pick a small weapon.
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Everyone wants to defend the stuff they own. To that end, the first gun I got was a Taurus Judge. I like it, it's fun, and has been reliable IMHO. But if someone tells me it's not the most super reliable thing in the world? That's fine with me, it's not like I've tested 10 of them and shot thousands of rounds through them, so really we can both be right. Personal experience is generally statistically insignificant unless you have a whole hell of a LOT of it (which a few of you may).
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BLINGMW Wrote:If he's at a table full of guns with no requirements, he'd never pick a small weapon.
I gotta hope that anyone reading the FAQ has at least put (or will put) SOME thought into what, exactly, they're after. No one should ever go buy a gun just for the sake of having one.
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ok!
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Highly recommend a pump action shotgun. Every criminal who breaks into your house knows the sound of a pump action. If they don't run like a MFer when they hear it, it'll also take care of the problem.
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NTIman Wrote:Highly recommend a pump action shotgun. Every criminal who breaks into your house knows the sound of a pump action. If they don't run like a MFer when they hear it, it'll also take care of the problem.
People say that all the time, but I think it's kinda bullshit. Yes, it is a very recognizable sound and I'm sure most people know it, but I don't plan being in a position where they can hear it. The round should be chambered before you get anywhere near them and if your first shot is less than effective you gotta take the time to chamber another.
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Fair enough.
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Apoc Wrote:NTIman Wrote:Highly recommend a pump action shotgun. Every criminal who breaks into your house knows the sound of a pump action. If they don't run like a MFer when they hear it, it'll also take care of the problem.
People say that all the time, but I think it's kinda bullshit. Yes, it is a very recognizable sound and I'm sure most people know it, but I don't plan being in a position where they can hear it. The round should be chambered before you get anywhere near them and if your first shot is less than effective you gotta take the time to chamber another. Exactly. I've always thought that whole idea of chambering a shotgun round scares bad guys didn't make sense. If your round is not already chambered the bad guy could potentially surprise you and shoot you before you shoot him. Better to have a shell waiting for him before you're close.
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wouldn't you also not want to give away your position? granted you'd probably be expected to be in bed during a nighttime breakin or what not, but i'd rather they know as little information as possible.
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This thread reeks of win...
I'll take my chances and not leave rounds chambered in my gun all the time. I guess that probably comes from living in the middle of nowhere all my life where the threat of a break in is kind of low.
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I'm with G and them, my gun stays loaded. The first opportunity they get to find out my position is when a .357 hits center of mass on them. I too have spent a decent portion of my life living out in the country, but I'm still prepared at all times.
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Ryan T Wrote:I'm with G and them, my gun stays loaded. The first opportunity they get to find out my position is when a .357 hits center of mass on them. I too have spent a decent portion of my life living out in the country, but I'm still prepared at all times for the zombie apocalypse. Fixed that for you.
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On that note, I think we're all missing the most important point here... a zombie doesn't give a fuck about you chambering a round.
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Mike Wrote:On that note, I think we're all missing the most important point here... a zombie doesn't give a fuck about you chambering a round.
Very true indeed.
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NTIman Wrote:Highly recommend a pump action shotgun. Every criminal who breaks into your house knows the sound of a pump action. If they don't run like a MFer when they hear it, it'll also take care of the problem.
so the perp then knows exactly where you are and that you are armed. He also knows that you dont know where he is, and that you dont know that he has a gun too.
you sure thats a good idea?
personally, if a bad guy breaks into my house, he finds out that I am awake, I know he is there, and I have a gun as soon as he wanders upstairs and has a few holes in him.
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