This really going to go down? "this" being America

[Feersty]

Because black friday is worth going to ANY retail store for...

Didn't you camp out for something? or was that Derek?

[Mike]

Because black friday is worth going to ANY retail store for...

it was back in the college days when we were living off of ramen. now that i make a combined household income of 172k (i know, not that much) in arlington, va, it's not really worth my time.

[.RJ]

Didn't you camp out for something? or was that Derek?

Yeah, I did it one time.

Never again.

Internet FTMFW.

[Apoc]

Sales tax is for suckers.

Also, I work with a few people whose household is >$200k and their houses are straight ballin'.

[PDenbigh]

Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil,
plus the condition of the economy.
The Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

[Feersty]

Recycling industry going down the crapper. That is what gets me. Just when we were starting to get good at it.

[Mike]

Recycling industry going down the crapper. That is what gets me. Just when we were starting to get good at it.

link?

[Feersty]

Recycling industry going down the crapper. That is what gets me. Just when we were starting to get good at it.

link?

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[John]

I can't believe you'd ever source any "news" from a site like that... but, it is true that prices have deflated on raw materials - then again, it's possible that they were overinflated just before they turned south...

[BLINGMW]

VagHaven.org? Seems legit. :dunno:

[Evan]

I can't believe you'd ever source any "news" from a site like that... but, it is true that prices have deflated on raw materials - then again, it's possible that they were overinflated just before they turned south...

its just copy and pasted from the AP

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[BLINGMW]

So, another "stimulus" package is being passed as fast as possible. No surprise that a lot of the focus of the bill is growing government, not providing any stimulus at all. Any comments? I, of course, think the bailouts and stimulus have to stop. They want to pass it quickly before the economy starts to turn around so they can take credit for it.

At least the Cato Institute and hundreds of economists agree. But facts and educated opinions are irrelevant, the dems can say and do whatever the hell they want now.

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"There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."

ÔÇö PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, JANUARY 9 , 2009

With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.

[Evan]

remember all that "Failed Bush economic policy" talk and mudslinging that won Obama the election?

He must have really meant "Not only am I going to keep the 'stimulus' going, Im going to do more of it!"


hope and change baby!

[Evan]

But facts and educated opinions are irrelevant, the dems can say and do whatever the hell they want now.

related politico story
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"I won."

When President Barack Obama used those words to reply to Republican objections to the massive spending bill working its way through Congress, he did much more than deliver a good laugh line and declare the GOP proposals irrelevant.

Obama also signaled to us all that the campaign talk about bipartisanship and ÔÇ£a new wayÔÇØ was just the clever rhetoric of a highly choreographed campaign....This is a tough Chicago [Machine] pol, not some sort of faith healer

hope and change

[Dave]

"I won."

When President Barack Obama used those words to reply to Republican objections to the massive spending bill working its way through Congress, he did much more than deliver a good laugh line and declare the GOP proposals irrelevant.

Obama also signaled to us all that the campaign talk about bipartisanship and ÔÇ£a new wayÔÇØ was just the clever rhetoric of a highly choreographed campaign....This is a tough Chicago [Machine] pol, not some sort of faith healer

hope and change

Anybody who believes he would be different from any other politician is entirely too naive.

[Ginger]

None of us believed it... but it's what got him elected.

Yes. It's filthy.

And representative of how much of the population falls into the "lowest common denominator" field intellectually.

And for the record, no half educated economist not being paid to repeat party lines believes that *any* government* spending would solve this.

[BLINGMW]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18108.html

heh, thanks for the story, my coworker was pretty disappointed to read it

None of us believed it... but it's what got him elected.

I've got at least a couple coworkers and friends that did! And I consider them to be reasonably intelligent people who I enjoy talking to. :dunno: But yes, clearly naive!


so.... is anyone actually in support of what the dems are doing? Please convince me! I'm already drinking plenty to make myself dumber, is there a pill I should take or something to make me ok with this?
(I made the mistake of listening to Boortz this morning so I'm all fired up)

[Evan]

not trying to turn this thread (overly) political, but since it has to do with the "stimulus"

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"WASHINGTON - Buried deep inside the massive spending orgy that Democrats jammed through the House this week lie five words that could drastically undo two decades of welfare reforms.

The very heart of the widely applauded Welfare Reform Act of 1996 is a cap on the amount of federal cash that can be sent to states each year for welfare payments.

But, thanks to the simple phrase slipped into the legislation, the new "stimulus" bill abolishes the limits on the amount of federal money for the so-called Emergency Fund, which ships welfare cash to states."

similar with nationalized healthcare.
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its all hidden behind the "stimulus" veil

[HAULN-SS]

what a bunch of commie bastards:
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the part that's interesting:The administration will also propose long-term compensation restrictions even for companies that don't receive government assistance, the official said.

[Andy]

In a 850 billion bill, there's bound to be a bunch of BS. You can pick out a lot of government waste but you can also find a lot of good. It's not all on the Dems. Republicans might publicly be against it but in the end, money into their district is going to benefit them too so they're not going to really fight it.

Long story short, you guys should check out the planet money podcast. It's really informative and breaks down complex financial tools. To anyone who does end up listening to it for period of time, let me know if you can detect any sort of political bias. I honestly can't but who knows, I could be communist.

http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_d...d=94411890