Wandering OT....
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:thats a seriously dangerous proposition in rwd or awd
Its no better in a FWD - physics and weight transfer dont care what the drive wheels are in that situation. If you're getting into that situation you're sacrificing corner speed to set up your passes with HP - so it becomes a crutch.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Are you planning on racing, or are you doing it scrictly for fun. I plan on Time trialing my car, which is WHY I need to learn MY car.
A little off there, grasshopper. It doesnt matter WHAT you drive, if you learn to drive fast then at the end of the day they all have a steering wheel and 3 pedals. I think starting out doing DE's in a car you're comfortable/familiar with eases some of the intimidation of getting into the game but further down the line it doesnt matter at all. Your learning curve will be a little easier if you drive a car that forces you to learn to maintain corner speed and momentum from the start. I'm not saying you cant be fast learning with whatever you've got, but dont get sucked into thinking you need to learn how to drive a certain car. Talk to most racers that have done well in the 'Pro' series (WC, etc). Most of them started with autox and club racing in momentum cars. If you can drive one of those fast, you can hop into ANYTHING and drive it fast.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:You go off in a miata full throttle your probably going slow enough to stop before the wall, I fully realize if I go off track coming out of a corner full speed, ill be in some serious wallage
Also wrong... the corner speeds wont likely be any different in the middle of the corner for MOST tin top cars on similar tires. Leaving the pavement is going to produce similar results no matter what you're driving.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
I fully subscribe to the momentum car as a learning tool school of thought but Im not a zealot.
There are in fact some things that a momentum car wont teach you as well, like throttle manipulation, and acceleration traction sensing.
These are arguably easier developed skills, and may come more naturally, hence why as RJ said racers who learn on momentum cars frequently do well in higher level racing.
For many, a miata is the perfect track car. Its a fantastic learning tool, its fun, but more importantly its CHEAP to track. That was a big factor in my decision.
At the end of the day its about having fun, so track whatever car makes you happy. I cant wait to see Jeff out in a Turdblo Dodge Adam out in a SHO just because those guys are so into their cars.
Evan Wrote:I cant wait to see Jeff out in a Turdblo Dodge Adam out in a SHO just because those guys are so into their cars.
Are you getting soft in your old age?
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
I'm going to roll Mike in HPDE 4 next year.
That's is all.
'76 911S | '14 328xi | '17 GTI | In memoriam: '08 848, '85 944
"Here, at last, is the cure for texting while driving. The millions of deaths which occur every year due to the iPhone’s ability to stream the Kim K/Ray-J video in 4G could all be avoided, every last one of them, if the government issued everyone a Seventies 911 and made sure they always left the house five minutes later than they’d wanted to. It would help if it could be made to rain as well. Full attention on the road. Guaranteed." -Jack Baruth
Apoc Wrote:I'm going to roll Mike in HPDE 4 next year.
Is that what happens when you cant win a race? 
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
I'll win the HPDE4 Championship... it's pretty much the same thing.
'76 911S | '14 328xi | '17 GTI | In memoriam: '08 848, '85 944
"Here, at last, is the cure for texting while driving. The millions of deaths which occur every year due to the iPhone’s ability to stream the Kim K/Ray-J video in 4G could all be avoided, every last one of them, if the government issued everyone a Seventies 911 and made sure they always left the house five minutes later than they’d wanted to. It would help if it could be made to rain as well. Full attention on the road. Guaranteed." -Jack Baruth
Apoc Wrote:I'll win the HPDE4 Championship... it's pretty much the same thing.
the trophy is just a bit smaller. are you going to use newish hoosiers as well?
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Unlikely. I'll probably be running my race tires from this year. By the time I'll be rolling you they'll likely be a year old.
How much does your car weigh and what's your FWHP?
'76 911S | '14 328xi | '17 GTI | In memoriam: '08 848, '85 944
"Here, at last, is the cure for texting while driving. The millions of deaths which occur every year due to the iPhone’s ability to stream the Kim K/Ray-J video in 4G could all be avoided, every last one of them, if the government issued everyone a Seventies 911 and made sure they always left the house five minutes later than they’d wanted to. It would help if it could be made to rain as well. Full attention on the road. Guaranteed." -Jack Baruth
Apoc Wrote:How much does your car weigh and what's your FWHP?
Getting worried already?
Dont make me come out of retirement!
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
I ain't worried for shit... I've seen Mike's lap times. I know he'll try and use wider/better tires as an excuse so I just want to lay it all out on the table.
'76 911S | '14 328xi | '17 GTI | In memoriam: '08 848, '85 944
"Here, at last, is the cure for texting while driving. The millions of deaths which occur every year due to the iPhone’s ability to stream the Kim K/Ray-J video in 4G could all be avoided, every last one of them, if the government issued everyone a Seventies 911 and made sure they always left the house five minutes later than they’d wanted to. It would help if it could be made to rain as well. Full attention on the road. Guaranteed." -Jack Baruth
.RJ Wrote:Apoc Wrote:How much does your car weigh and what's your FWHP?
Dont make me come out of retirement!
"i've seen you drive, RJ. you've got a lead foot"
1994 Ford Ranger
2004 Honda S2000
2007 BMW X3
.RJ Wrote:Wandering OT....
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:thats a seriously dangerous proposition in rwd or awd
Its no better in a FWD - physics and weight transfer dont care what the drive wheels are in that situation. If you're getting into that situation you're sacrificing corner speed to set up your passes with HP - so it becomes a crutch.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Are you planning on racing, or are you doing it scrictly for fun. I plan on Time trialing my car, which is WHY I need to learn MY car.
A little off there, grasshopper. It doesnt matter WHAT you drive, if you learn to drive fast then at the end of the day they all have a steering wheel and 3 pedals. I think starting out doing DE's in a car you're comfortable/familiar with eases some of the intimidation of getting into the game but further down the line it doesnt matter at all. Your learning curve will be a little easier if you drive a car that forces you to learn to maintain corner speed and momentum from the start. I'm not saying you cant be fast learning with whatever you've got, but dont get sucked into thinking you need to learn how to drive a certain car. Talk to most racers that have done well in the 'Pro' series (WC, etc). Most of them started with autox and club racing in momentum cars. If you can drive one of those fast, you can hop into ANYTHING and drive it fast.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:You go off in a miata full throttle your probably going slow enough to stop before the wall, I fully realize if I go off track coming out of a corner full speed, ill be in some serious wallage
Also wrong... the corner speeds wont likely be any different in the middle of the corner for MOST tin top cars on similar tires. Leaving the pavement is going to produce similar results no matter what you're driving.
LOL your points ive already said, I said them knowing full well that you would say those same things..geeze. Oh and I bet im going much quicker out of turn 1 then you are (in reference to acceleration not who is a better driver)
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Oh and I bet im going much quicker out of turn 1 then you are (in reference to acceleration not who is a better driver)
I'd take that bet.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Apoc Wrote:I ain't worried for shit... I've seen Mike's lap times. I know he'll try and use wider/better tires as an excuse so I just want to lay it all out on the table.
sounds like a good matchup!
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
*sigh* dick swinging...weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
2020 Ford Raptor
2009 Z06
1986.5 Porsche 928S
Where?
What kind of laptimes are you running now at summit main? Just curious.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Dahh - I ran a 1:35 according to my girlfriends stopwatch..
Oy im slow, and need to get back on the track.
Your g/f didn't time you right... she was busy with me. :o
'76 911S | '14 328xi | '17 GTI | In memoriam: '08 848, '85 944
"Here, at last, is the cure for texting while driving. The millions of deaths which occur every year due to the iPhone’s ability to stream the Kim K/Ray-J video in 4G could all be avoided, every last one of them, if the government issued everyone a Seventies 911 and made sure they always left the house five minutes later than they’d wanted to. It would help if it could be made to rain as well. Full attention on the road. Guaranteed." -Jack Baruth
.RJ Wrote:Where?
What kind of laptimes are you running now at summit main? Just curious. are you fucking kidding RJ?
at least swing your dick around when you actually have a car
Evan Wrote:are you fucking kidding RJ?
Mostly, yeah.
I didnt make the "I'm faster than you" claim anyways.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
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