Feb. VIR Registration is now open

[bimmerboodle]

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If you race, renew your comp license right now.....do not wait

If you want to use credits, contact Laura as there are only so many spots available.

[Maengelito]

woooo, that was fast. signed up to instruct

[Mike]

in!

[getfast]

I'm following Sean around the interweb today. :wink:

Reg is also open for the Sun 2/25 CircuitCross on Patriot course, basically like a fast autoX (10-12 runs each and no work assignments.) There are no conflicts with full course HPDE track time when you sign up for an afternoon heat, due to the enduro:

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And of course reg is open for the karting being discussed in another thread :twisted:

Can't wait,

Jon

[Sijray21]

just signed up

hurt the wallet a little more than i expected...thank god for cash rewards from the CC

[Andy]

Done and done.

[Nis01]

Hey Jon, Whats the deal with the circuitcross? Any previous HPDE experience required? How is it run? Thanks in advance.

[Andy]

Hey Jon, Whats the deal with the circuitcross? Any previous HPDE experience required? How is it run? Thanks in advance.

DJ & Shea,

Welcome to your financial ruin. You'll love it here.

[getfast]

Hey Jon, Whats the deal with the circuitcross? Any previous HPDE experience required? How is it run? Thanks in advance.

Some form of prior autoX or HPDE experience is required. Roughly at least 2-3 autoXes or at least 1 HPDE. No absolute n00bs, basically... but I look at such a thing on a case-by-case basis to be fair.

It's run like a regular 4-heat NASA-MA autocross with two sessions (morning and afternoon) each having their own reg/tech/meeting so you don't need to be there all day. There are no work assignments because we're hiring pro flaggers. One entry is $90 and gets you into a 2-hour heat which should provide ~10-12 runs each. Cars are sent out at approx 30-sec intervals. Any yellow or red flagging = rerun of course. And yes the flaggers will abort your run if you're getting too close to the car ahead (so you will most likely never see another car on track.) Instruction is not provided but is available at an additional cost. It counts for the same championship points as 2 regular autoXes. And the track is NOT slowed-down with cones.

So basically it's a non-novice autoX with no work assignments that happens to be much faster because it's on Patriot Course instead of in a parking lot. We've done three of 'em so far and they're always a blast.

Does that help? :wink:

Thanks,

Jon

[Nis01]

DJ & Shea,

Welcome to your financial ruin. You'll love it here.

LoL. I'm not quite there yet. Perhaps next season.... but its getting closer. :twisted:

Thanks for the description Jon. I'm undecided on whether or not I'm going to attempt this event. I will be up there for karting the day before so it wouldn't be too bad to hang out until time to run. I only have limited auto-x experience and don't want to get over my head, although it does sound and look quite fun. :wink:

[getfast]

No prob. You could run on Sunday morning and be gone by lunchtime (or stay and watch the roadracing enduro on the full course in the afternoon.) I think you would enjoy it, and it is definitely intended to be a good "midway between autoX and HPDE" type of day.

As for getting in over your head: Patriot Course is a blast IMHO, and very rewarding once you figure out the line, but it IS a racetrack with walls and other things to hit if you drive beyond your skillset. If you have the "I can drive 11/10ths and spin out if necessary because it's like an autocross with nothing to hit" mentality... you shouldn't sign up for the Circuitcross. But if you'll drive within your limits and explore them by only making very small changes to your line or your driving, you'll have a great time. :wink:

Food for thought,

Jon

[Andy]

Shea,

You'll do fine. Sign up.

[Apoc]

In

[white_2kgt]

So basically it's a non-novice autoX with no work assignments that happens to be much faster because it's on Patriot Course instead of in a parking lot. We've done three of 'em so far and they're always a blast.

Well, it is more like SOLO 1 or TimeTrials than an autox or SOLO II since it is happening on a Race Track, not a parking lot but no w2w either or even seing another car.

[getfast]

So basically it's a non-novice autoX with no work assignments that happens to be much faster because it's on Patriot Course instead of in a parking lot. We've done three of 'em so far and they're always a blast.

Well, it is more like SOLO 1 or TimeTrials than an autox or SOLO II since it is happening on a Race Track, not a parking lot but no w2w either or even seing another car.

LOL, sorta. :wink:

It's not like Solo 1 because you're out there one at a time and the safety equipment is optional. It's not like NASA TT because it doesn't require years of HPDE's (or a transponder) to qualify.

It's run almost exactly like a 4-heat NASA-MA autocross without work assignments, that just happens to be on a roadcourse, therefore it is much faster. Average speeds are in the 50-60mph range, and many cars will be approaching if not exceeding 100mph on the straights.

It is EXACTLY like the Tarzan's Lap Battle that GT Live did in October, because that was a NASA-MA CircuitCross underneath. Except without the final part where Tarzan tries to beat your lap time in your own car.

So, yes and no. It's one step between HPDE and autoX if nothing else. :twisted:

Hope that makes some kind of sense LOL,

Jon

[white_2kgt]

It's not like Solo 1 because you're out there one at a time and the safety equipment is optional.

We are getting a little off topic here but hey, this is MM. I have never ran a SOLO 1, but I was under the impressions that it was ran one at a time. Not like NASA does TT but one car goes out for a few laps and best time counts, no?

[getfast]

I've also never done a Solo 1 and haven't even attended one in several years, so the format may be different now, but my recollection was that all the warmup sessions were done "HPDE3 style" (passing anywhere with a point) and then cars were sent out at shorter intervals during their last sessions of the day (like 3-5 on course at a time instead of 2-3 with CircuitCross) and were either hand-timed or used transponders, for a warmup lap then a hot lap then a cooldown lap.

I don't really keep up with the SCCA programs so I can't say for sure, but I do believe Solo 1 would be a much more advanced version of what we're trying to do with CircuitCross, during which you will hopefully never see another car on track at the same time because it's only one lap total per run - the timer starts after you exit the hot pits and stops up the hill with plenty of room to get slowed down for pit in (I mean of course you see them at an autocross, but you're 30 seconds apart on different portions of the course... same idea with Circuitcross. And damn that was a long sentence.)

Back on topic - I don't mean for it to be so confusing, because a Circuitcross is NOT an autocross, but it is definitely not an HPDE in terms of speeds, seat time, instruction, or price either. We may stop doing 'em after '07 just because they're so hard to explain. :wink:

Jon

[white_2kgt]

We may stop doing 'em after '07 just because they're so hard to explain. :wink:

Jon

I hope that was a joke. I still have a hard time explaining to people that I am a road racer, once they hear that they start telling me all about the street race they had the previous night in their honda odyssey :roll:

Keep up the good work jon!

[getfast]

LOL we'll probably keep doing 'em as long as we think they can break even financially, but as you've seen from full course registration, VIR's rates went up again. :?

PS- you should tell 'em that the real way to "race" an Odyssey is to autocross it:

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Hahahaha,

Jon

[D_Eclipse9916]

Hahahha, ive been in financial ruin since I bought my car lol. Goddamn autocross was cheap, 3-450 dollars a year and that slike 12 autocrosses. 300 dollars for one weekend is gonna KILL my budget.