06-23-2004, 04:58 PM
not really sure how American 60's muscle cars are indicative of automotive quality and designs outside of europe, but then maybe im just slow. honestly, i don't know why anyone would come to this forum spouting ridiculous stuff like this, but i will still try to offer as friendly a hello as i can. welcome, and i hope you come join our shenanigans at some point this fall. i personally like alfa romeos a lot, they are gorgeous cars with a sporting flair. my friends dad used to have a 164L, i loved that car and was really upset when he sold it a few years ago. that being said.....
why you would bash non-european built cars for their quality is beyond me, when your chosen ride is Italian! they make some awesome cars, but outside of the ferrari/lambo/pagani circle....reliability/quality is a little on the low side. don't think so? on the automotive show "top gear" i believe they did a test on the AR 166(?) sedan. they loved the driving experience, but noted the 166's are selling horribly due to the resale value that plummets astronomically. sure, a crappy dealer network is to blame here too, but most cars have horrible resale values due to quality.
(daihatsu, kia, VW, etc)
my family owns 2 audi A4's. they are great cars to drive, and construction is solid. however, audis are NOTORIOUS for nagging electronic issues, most notably coil packs. the wonderful 5 link front suspension also needs the ball joints replaced around 80k miles due to overly thin grease, and the catalytic converter has been known to totally shear off of its flange on the 1.8T models. there has been news that the newer S4's cannot engage reverse in manual transmission'ed cars because the shift linkage was poorly designed.
E46 M3's have gained a reputation for grenading motors for no particular reason other than that they are overstressed from a power output standpoint.
if you're going to argue that euros are superior drivers' cars to some american or japanese models, then i suggest doing some serious research....enough said.
i don't mean to throw gas on the fire, and incite more arguments. i just want to sort of help set the record straight with what knowledge i have. and if i'm wrong, point it out and provide proof as to why, and i will fully admit i'm wrong.
why you would bash non-european built cars for their quality is beyond me, when your chosen ride is Italian! they make some awesome cars, but outside of the ferrari/lambo/pagani circle....reliability/quality is a little on the low side. don't think so? on the automotive show "top gear" i believe they did a test on the AR 166(?) sedan. they loved the driving experience, but noted the 166's are selling horribly due to the resale value that plummets astronomically. sure, a crappy dealer network is to blame here too, but most cars have horrible resale values due to quality.
(daihatsu, kia, VW, etc)
my family owns 2 audi A4's. they are great cars to drive, and construction is solid. however, audis are NOTORIOUS for nagging electronic issues, most notably coil packs. the wonderful 5 link front suspension also needs the ball joints replaced around 80k miles due to overly thin grease, and the catalytic converter has been known to totally shear off of its flange on the 1.8T models. there has been news that the newer S4's cannot engage reverse in manual transmission'ed cars because the shift linkage was poorly designed.
E46 M3's have gained a reputation for grenading motors for no particular reason other than that they are overstressed from a power output standpoint.
if you're going to argue that euros are superior drivers' cars to some american or japanese models, then i suggest doing some serious research....enough said.
i don't mean to throw gas on the fire, and incite more arguments. i just want to sort of help set the record straight with what knowledge i have. and if i'm wrong, point it out and provide proof as to why, and i will fully admit i'm wrong.
2010 Civic Si
2019 4Runner TRD Off-Road
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Past: 03 Xterra SE 4x4 | 05 Impreza 2.5RS | 99.5 A4 Quattro 1.8T | 01 Accord EX | 90 Maxima GXE | 96 Explorer XLT
2019 4Runner TRD Off-Road
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Past: 03 Xterra SE 4x4 | 05 Impreza 2.5RS | 99.5 A4 Quattro 1.8T | 01 Accord EX | 90 Maxima GXE | 96 Explorer XLT