Official MM Firearms Thread

[CaptainHenreh]

Against a SIG your probably right, but if I'm paying for the gun I'd trust my life to a Ruger before I'd shell out the extra money for a S&W or a CZ. Less expensive /= less capable. I'd take a Ruger over some Beretta's side by side. I'm not saying they are the be all end all of quality firearms, but they certaintly belong amongst the company of H&K and Glock, and not with Kel-tec and Charter.

I'm sorry, I disagree.

Look at the Ruger LCP:


Now look at the Kel-Tec P3AT:


NOW tell me which came first? Who copied who?

In my thread, I never said Ruger was BAD. I said that the user will need to take extra time to make sure that the one they got is good. Like Matt Leech, who had to send his back TWICE before it would reliably extract. Doesn't mean they can't make a good one, but I can't in good conscience say "Ruger is Good To Go" like I could with Glock. You notice I put the S&W Sigma pistols in there too. They're not bad. Very inexpensive. But the trigger sucks and they're a glock knockoff. (literally, Glock sued them for patent infringement and won.) I'd be willing to remove Ruger's revolvers from that "second tier" category except for the recent stories I've heard of the LCR assploding. I know, I know, plural anecdotes are not data but there just isn't any hard data out there.

You freely admit yourself that they're not as quality as the other tier 1's I listed (I'll ignore your statement that they're as good as HK...lulz) and I'm sure Jeff will be by any minute to defend his Taurus wheelgun. Once more, it's not that they're *bad* it's that they're not as good.

Here's the thing. I don't like Ruger, as a company. That's a personal bias. But many of their products are perfectly fine. The redhawk and blackhawk revolvers, their bolt action rifles, their .22lr pistols...hell the 10/22 is THE rimfire semi auto rifle for many people. There might as well not BE another one as far as some people are concerned. And I'm OK with that. The Mini-14 is a hell of alot better than it used to be, and the SR-556 is really good. I still wouldn't recommend people buy them, but that's my personal opinion, not a professional one. But my auto pistol "hate" is separate from that. They're derivative designs that simply aren't as good as others. Doesn't mean they are bad, but what it does mean is that many times an extra 100 dollars will get you a much better handgun. (example: Bud's gun shop has the Ruger SR9 for $427...they have an M&P9 for 520. I will eat Ramen for another two weeks EVERY TIME to get my dickbeaters around an M&P, and I'll recommend everyone else do the same.)

How many IPSC and IDPA shooters use Rugers? I see a shitload of HK's, 1911's, a whole Glock flock, S&W M&P's are rapidly gaining in popularity, and I see more than a few CZ's. And of course, there's always the ex-army guys with their 92f's. What I DON'T see are Taurus and Ruger. (At least, not with auto pistols. Many people use Ruger wheelguns, but this may be because not as many revolvers are made.) You see more Miatas than MR2's on the track...does that mean that an MR2 is a bad track car? No. It means that the Miata is probably better.

In the end, if people follow my instructions for fit and point, they may very well end up with a Ruger. If they also follow my instructions for training, then their Ruger will either pass or fail, under their own hand. I'm ok with that.