This really going to go down? "this" being America

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I just dont buy into the pop culture language manipulation used to change the perception of something in our head, so I call it what it is.
Everyone has their own right to be for or against it, but thats what it is.

as for you, I think you're just like every other trendy yuppie liberal except with some financial sense, but you cant stand being trendy so you just call yourself libertarian :lol: :wink:

See... that's the hitch. You're so convinced that "it is what it is" but don't concede that others may not believe that. To you, it's so black and white but don't care to see that it may just be as black and white to the other guy. I don't want to get into a debate about when life begins but that's the fundamental difference between the two beliefs. It's not that liberals have just twisted it so they can feel good about killing babies... because some actually believe it's not taking a life. They are just as entitled to their belief as you are... and that's what it is, a belief. Didn't they teach you anything about biases in grad school?

I don't believe everyone was created equal, I don't believe in socialism and I believe in the right to bear arms so I'm not really sure I qualify as a liberal. :wink: