(09-30-2020, 02:46 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: Pence is happily married (even if in a stepford kind of way) so her normal backup plan for advancement won't work either.

(09-30-2020, 03:45 PM)Apoc Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 02:46 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 02:28 PM)JPolen01 Wrote: As to Jake's point about Kamala, I believe he is more insinuating that with her prosecutorial background she will be a strong debater while Pence is like a wet noodle with the personality of a cyborg.

Well Pence is white, so Harris's prosecutor background might not help her much, and Pence is happily married (even if in a stepford kind of way) so her normal backup plan for advancement won't work either.

This is sexist and, frankly, very disappointing to hear from someone with three daughters.

(09-30-2020, 02:46 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 02:28 PM)JPolen01 Wrote: As to Jake's point about Kamala, I believe he is more insinuating that with her prosecutorial background she will be a strong debater while Pence is like a wet noodle with the personality of a cyborg.

Well Pence is white, so Harris's prosecutor background might not help her much, and Pence is happily married (even if in a stepford kind of way) so her normal backup plan for advancement won't work either.

(09-30-2020, 03:59 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: Ooh forgive me for trying to win reductionist Twitter sarcastic quip of the year when referencing her terrible prosecution record against people of color and her convenient affair with the guy who gave her political appointments. Didn't realize that was off limits.

(09-30-2020, 04:02 PM)Apoc Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 03:59 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: Ooh forgive me for trying to win Twitter sarcastic quip of the year when referencing her terrible prosecution record against people of color and her convenient affair with the guy who gave her political appointments. Didn't realize that was off limits.

FTFY

(09-30-2020, 02:43 PM)Ken Wrote: I can't find anything outside of obviously right-wing sources (Blaze, Hannity, Fox News, The Sun) for either of those claims of breaks or, agreeing to check for devices.

(09-30-2020, 02:50 PM)SlimKlim Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 01:46 PM)IntegraJWill Wrote: I'm waiting for Gaetz to be a candidate.

This is sarcasm... right?

I dont know how anyone can make a good faith argument against any of Biden's flaws, whether real fabricated or real. I'm not a fan of whataboutism however one of these men WILL be our next President. Nepotism over Hunter Biden? Give me a break. Sexual assault allegations? Yeah, valid concern but there are literally dozens of legitimate allegations against Trump.

Anyone who has actually followed the news on a daily basis knows everything that comes out of Trump's mouth about the ACA and his Covid response is complete stinking bullshit. He's pissed away 4 years in power without delivering the ACA replacement he's been promising (same as all of his other promises), and he fucked off, ignored warnings and lied to us for months before the pandemic hit the US, and then just kept on lying for the rest of the year. A hard two week shutdown at the end of February was all we needed, failing simply that stepping back and recommending people trust the experts rather than encouraging anti-masking and holding undistanced rallies (that literally killed Herman Cain) would've been far less damaging.
Also call me a panicky liberal snowflake all you want but encouraging his "proud boys" to "watch" the polls is fucking concerning. 

(09-30-2020, 05:02 PM)IntegraJWill Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 02:43 PM)Ken Wrote: I can't find anything outside of obviously right-wing sources (Blaze, Hannity, Fox News, The Sun) for either of those claims of breaks or, agreeing to check for devices.

Yeah I definitely heard it last night, but I'm still trying to find where it was. The tweets I remember were from Patrick Ward (former Fox guy), so I guess it's 'not a genuine' source.

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(09-30-2020, 02:50 PM)SlimKlim Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 01:46 PM)IntegraJWill Wrote: I'm waiting for Gaetz to be a candidate.

This is sarcasm... right?

I dont know how anyone can make a good faith argument against any of Biden's flaws, whether real fabricated or real. I'm not a fan of whataboutism however one of these men WILL be our next President. Nepotism over Hunter Biden? Give me a break. Sexual assault allegations? Yeah, valid concern but there are literally dozens of legitimate allegations against Trump.

Anyone who has actually followed the news on a daily basis knows everything that comes out of Trump's mouth about the ACA and his Covid response is complete stinking bullshit. He's pissed away 4 years in power without delivering the ACA replacement he's been promising (same as all of his other promises), and he fucked off, ignored warnings and lied to us for months before the pandemic hit the US, and then just kept on lying for the rest of the year. A hard two week shutdown at the end of February was all we needed, failing simply that stepping back and recommending people trust the experts rather than encouraging anti-masking and holding undistanced rallies (that literally killed Herman Cain) would've been far less damaging.
Also call me a panicky liberal snowflake all you want but encouraging his "proud boys" to "watch" the polls is fucking concerning. 

All good points and Trump's short-comings. The thing is that having your supporters watching the polls isn't that weird. I thought democrats were mostly going to send in their ballots by mail??

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JUST A CLEAR UP:

After looking into my claims that Biden 1) stepped out of the earpiece agreement, and 2) that he wanted breaks are NOT completely supported by facts. 

I want you guys to know I am not just a random Trump supporter (although I never said I was on board with him). I also want you to know that I am open to saying when I am wrong, so accept my apology for saying something that was not fully supported by all.

(09-30-2020, 02:50 PM)SlimKlim Wrote:

(10-02-2020, 12:37 AM)Apoc Wrote: The only mention of the Proud Boys in the entire debate was by Trump.

He was asked to denounce white supremacists.

He doesn't get much credit for saying he doesn't know much about a link he made.

The Debate Wrote:1:04:23 WALLACE

Okay, you have repeatedly criticized the Vice President for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups? And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in Kenosha, as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared specifically to do that?

1:04:46 TRUMP

Sure, I’m prepared to do it. I would say- I would say, almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not from the right wing-

1:05:55 WALLACE

So what do you, what do you say-

1:04:56 TRUMP

I'm willing to do anything I want to see peace.

1:04:57 WALLACE

Then do it, sir.

1:04:59 BIDEN

Say it, do it, say it.

1:05:00 TRUMP

You want to call them -- What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me --

1:05:04 WALLACE

White supremacists and, white supremacists and right-wing --

1:05:07 BIDEN

The Proud Boys.

1:05:07 TRUMP

Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem...

(10-01-2020, 09:19 PM)IntegraJWill Wrote: Even if we are talking about the Proud Boys group, they are run by a black Cuban (Enrique Tarrio who btw didn't think that 'stand by' was a call to action, rather to let the police do their job), and have black members. They are NOT a white supremacist group.

(10-02-2020, 09:52 AM).RJ Wrote:   The whole thing could have gotten turned into a nothingburger in short order.