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- .RJ - 08-29-2007
Wandering OT....
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:thats a seriously dangerous proposition in rwd or awd
Its no better in a FWD - physics and weight transfer dont care what the drive wheels are in that situation. If you're getting into that situation you're sacrificing corner speed to set up your passes with HP - so it becomes a crutch.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Are you planning on racing, or are you doing it scrictly for fun. I plan on Time trialing my car, which is WHY I need to learn MY car.
A little off there, grasshopper. It doesnt matter WHAT you drive, if you learn to drive fast then at the end of the day they all have a steering wheel and 3 pedals. I think starting out doing DE's in a car you're comfortable/familiar with eases some of the intimidation of getting into the game but further down the line it doesnt matter at all. Your learning curve will be a little easier if you drive a car that forces you to learn to maintain corner speed and momentum from the start. I'm not saying you cant be fast learning with whatever you've got, but dont get sucked into thinking you need to learn how to drive a certain car. Talk to most racers that have done well in the 'Pro' series (WC, etc). Most of them started with autox and club racing in momentum cars. If you can drive one of those fast, you can hop into ANYTHING and drive it fast.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:You go off in a miata full throttle your probably going slow enough to stop before the wall, I fully realize if I go off track coming out of a corner full speed, ill be in some serious wallage
Also wrong... the corner speeds wont likely be any different in the middle of the corner for MOST tin top cars on similar tires. Leaving the pavement is going to produce similar results no matter what you're driving.
- Evan - 08-29-2007
I fully subscribe to the momentum car as a learning tool school of thought but Im not a zealot.
There are in fact some things that a momentum car wont teach you as well, like throttle manipulation, and acceleration traction sensing.
These are arguably easier developed skills, and may come more naturally, hence why as RJ said racers who learn on momentum cars frequently do well in higher level racing.
For many, a miata is the perfect track car. Its a fantastic learning tool, its fun, but more importantly its CHEAP to track. That was a big factor in my decision.
At the end of the day its about having fun, so track whatever car makes you happy. I cant wait to see Jeff out in a Turdblo Dodge Adam out in a SHO just because those guys are so into their cars.
- .RJ - 08-29-2007
Evan Wrote:I cant wait to see Jeff out in a Turdblo Dodge Adam out in a SHO just because those guys are so into their cars.
Are you getting soft in your old age?
- Apoc - 08-29-2007
I'm going to roll Mike in HPDE 4 next year.
That's is all.
- .RJ - 08-29-2007
Apoc Wrote:I'm going to roll Mike in HPDE 4 next year.
Is that what happens when you cant win a race?
- Apoc - 08-29-2007
I'll win the HPDE4 Championship... it's pretty much the same thing.
- Mike - 08-29-2007
Apoc Wrote:I'll win the HPDE4 Championship... it's pretty much the same thing.
the trophy is just a bit smaller. are you going to use newish hoosiers as well?
- Apoc - 08-29-2007
Unlikely. I'll probably be running my race tires from this year. By the time I'll be rolling you they'll likely be a year old.
How much does your car weigh and what's your FWHP?
- .RJ - 08-29-2007
Apoc Wrote:How much does your car weigh and what's your FWHP?
Getting worried already?
Dont make me come out of retirement!
- Apoc - 08-29-2007
I ain't worried for shit... I've seen Mike's lap times. I know he'll try and use wider/better tires as an excuse so I just want to lay it all out on the table.
- Maengelito - 08-29-2007
.RJ Wrote:Apoc Wrote:How much does your car weigh and what's your FWHP?
Dont make me come out of retirement!
"i've seen you drive, RJ. you've got a lead foot"
- D_Eclipse9916 - 08-29-2007
.RJ Wrote:Wandering OT....
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:thats a seriously dangerous proposition in rwd or awd
Its no better in a FWD - physics and weight transfer dont care what the drive wheels are in that situation. If you're getting into that situation you're sacrificing corner speed to set up your passes with HP - so it becomes a crutch.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Are you planning on racing, or are you doing it scrictly for fun. I plan on Time trialing my car, which is WHY I need to learn MY car.
A little off there, grasshopper. It doesnt matter WHAT you drive, if you learn to drive fast then at the end of the day they all have a steering wheel and 3 pedals. I think starting out doing DE's in a car you're comfortable/familiar with eases some of the intimidation of getting into the game but further down the line it doesnt matter at all. Your learning curve will be a little easier if you drive a car that forces you to learn to maintain corner speed and momentum from the start. I'm not saying you cant be fast learning with whatever you've got, but dont get sucked into thinking you need to learn how to drive a certain car. Talk to most racers that have done well in the 'Pro' series (WC, etc). Most of them started with autox and club racing in momentum cars. If you can drive one of those fast, you can hop into ANYTHING and drive it fast.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:You go off in a miata full throttle your probably going slow enough to stop before the wall, I fully realize if I go off track coming out of a corner full speed, ill be in some serious wallage
Also wrong... the corner speeds wont likely be any different in the middle of the corner for MOST tin top cars on similar tires. Leaving the pavement is going to produce similar results no matter what you're driving.
LOL your points ive already said, I said them knowing full well that you would say those same things..geeze. Oh and I bet im going much quicker out of turn 1 then you are (in reference to acceleration not who is a better driver)
- .RJ - 08-29-2007
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Oh and I bet im going much quicker out of turn 1 then you are (in reference to acceleration not who is a better driver)
I'd take that bet.
- Mike - 08-29-2007
Apoc Wrote:I ain't worried for shit... I've seen Mike's lap times. I know he'll try and use wider/better tires as an excuse so I just want to lay it all out on the table.
sounds like a good matchup!
- D_Eclipse9916 - 08-29-2007
*sigh* dick swinging...weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
- .RJ - 08-29-2007
Where?
What kind of laptimes are you running now at summit main? Just curious.
- navin - 08-29-2007
Dahh - I ran a 1:35 according to my girlfriends stopwatch..
Oy im slow, and need to get back on the track.
- Apoc - 08-30-2007
Your g/f didn't time you right... she was busy with me. :o
- Evan - 08-30-2007
.RJ Wrote:Where?are you fucking kidding RJ?
What kind of laptimes are you running now at summit main? Just curious.
at least swing your dick around when you actually have a car
- .RJ - 08-30-2007
Evan Wrote:are you fucking kidding RJ?
Mostly, yeah.
I didnt make the "I'm faster than you" claim anyways.