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Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 02-03-2015
.RJ Wrote:I'm sorry, thats awful. Sure it will be fast but its going to be $40k and its fucking ugly.]
+1 Terribly overdone styling, I do like the 3 spoke steering wheel over the 4 spoke in the ST, so that's an improvement I guess. Also, remember Jalopnik was also practically wetting itself over the ST and when it actually came out no one really liked it that much. I'll hold judgement until I read some long term driving reviews, not just a journal of feverish thoughts the writer had while staring at it on a spinny thing at the launch event.
I'd say I don't think a $40k boy racer car will sell that well, but I think this is coming into the market at a good time. All the abandoned, would-be Evo XI buyers or people that think the STI is too tame will flock to this car.
RawrImAMonster Wrote:Eh I really don't care about interior looks at all. None of them are that great until you get into supercar territory.
I know I'm super biased, but that interior blows compared to this.
![[Image: XhphAaS.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/XhphAaS.jpg)
If I'm dropping 40 stacks on a car I don't want the interior to look like it was designed by a 12 year old after spending a day at the fighter jet museum. :dunno:
Re: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 02-03-2015
I might just be a eurotrash loving fanboi, but I think the Golf R interior looks worlds better than the Focus RS.
Edit: looks like i'm not the only one. Let's dock vag-coms.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 02-03-2015
SlimKlim Wrote:I'd say I don't think a $40k boy racer car will sell that well, but I think this is coming into the market at a good time. All the abandoned, would-be Evo XI buyers or people that think the STI is too tame will flock to this car.
HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME I'M A RALLY DRIVER. HEY GUYS OVER HERE ITS KEN BLOCK I'M DRIFTING VROOOOOOOOOOOOOMS
![[Image: ken-block-gymkhana-stunt-o.gif]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1738577/ken-block-gymkhana-stunt-o.gif)
Re: Automotive News Discussion - Evan - 02-03-2015
ScottyB Wrote:the reviews are here. 155hp in the US, 2300 lbs. and a true front/mid engine placement behind the front axle for 50/50 distribution. should be fantastic, and i think it looks Tits McGee in black.
I gotta say Im a bit dissapointed. So much progress on the chassis and styling but they take a step back on power output. "but but but power to weight, miata isnt about hp" etc etc yes I know all this. Still a bummer to go down in power vs the last generation. They have always massaged the compact car-sourced (in this case mazda3) engine they put in the miata to rev higher and put out more hp and not like doing that weighs more. 170hp is all it would have taken to really keep progress moving forward. (and 200 would have been fantastic)
Heres to hoping that in 2 years they do a refresh with an extra 15hp and really screw up any spec miata class in the future :lol:
Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 02-03-2015
The day after these things hit the showrooms I'll see at least two in NOVA that have been slammed, wrapped/dipped, fluorescent colored wheels and a fart can. :lol:
I'm sure the car will be stupid amounts of fun to drive for about 10 minutes, but if the ST is any indication it'll also punch you in the kidneys every time you drive over a nickel, and the electric steering will be so over boosted with poor feedback that you'll change lanes every time you sneeze
Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 02-03-2015
Evan Wrote:ScottyB Wrote:the reviews are here. 155hp in the US, 2300 lbs. and a true front/mid engine placement behind the front axle for 50/50 distribution. should be fantastic, and i think it looks Tits McGee in black.
I gotta say Im a bit dissapointed. So much progress on the chassis and styling but they take a step back on power output. "but but but power to weight, miata isnt about hp" etc etc yes I know all this. Still a bummer to go down in power vs the last generation. They have always massaged the compact car-sourced (in this case mazda3) engine they put in the miata to rev higher and put out more hp and not like doing that weighs more. 170hp is all it would have taken to really keep progress moving forward. (and 200 would have been fantastic)
Heres to hoping that in 2 years they do a refresh with an extra 15hp and really screw up any spec miata class in the future :lol:
I saw they went with the lower power output so they could keep the entire driveline from the trans to the diff as light as possible. I'm looking forward to driving one eventually, I hope it recaptures the perky, stupid-light-flywheel magic the early 1.6L cars had. Sure it was like 116hp but it was so much fun to wring out and rev match.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 02-03-2015
Evan Wrote:ScottyB Wrote:the reviews are here. 155hp in the US, 2300 lbs. and a true front/mid engine placement behind the front axle for 50/50 distribution. should be fantastic, and i think it looks Tits McGee in black.
I gotta say Im a bit dissapointed. So much progress on the chassis and styling but they take a step back on power output
As much as it pains me, I agree with Evan. It seems like they've really made a step backwards in power output. I dont see why adding more power would add more weight in this case.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - Ken - 02-03-2015
SlimKlim Wrote:.RJ Wrote:I'm sorry, thats awful. Sure it will be fast but its going to be $40k and its fucking ugly.]
+1 Terribly overdone styling, I do like the 3 spoke steering wheel over the 4 spoke in the ST, so that's an improvement I guess. Also, remember Jalopnik was also practically wetting itself over the ST and when it actually came out no one really liked it that much. I'll hold judgement until I read some long term driving reviews, not just a journal of feverish thoughts the writer had while staring at it on a spinny thing at the launch event.
I'd say I don't think a $40k boy racer car will sell that well, but I think this is coming into the market at a good time. All the abandoned, would-be Evo XI buyers or people that think the STI is too tame will flock to this car.
RawrImAMonster Wrote:Eh I really don't care about interior looks at all. None of them are that great until you get into supercar territory.
I know I'm super biased, but that interior blows compared to this.
If I'm dropping 40 stacks on a car I don't want the interior to look like it was designed by a 12 year old after spending a day at the fighter jet museum. :dunno:
Call me whatever you want, I am definitely interested. Also, I really don't think it will be 40K, that's where the Golf R is and the R always tended to be like 4-7K more than the STI and Evo (unless we're just round up to 10's, if so then yes, 40K.)
Personally, I think the VW interior is way too shiny. My mom's Beetle has that interior and it's a fingerprint nightmare, I never want to touch anything because then I have to wipe it down.
Either way, i'll be cross shopping to the two and also praying that the MazdaSpeed 3 does come out and comes out as they think it might (AWD, 300+ HP.) Still need to sell this GTI first however.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - ScottyB - 02-03-2015
Evan Wrote:I gotta say Im a bit dissapointed. So much progress on the chassis and styling but they take a step back on power output. "but but but power to weight, miata isnt about hp" etc etc yes I know all this. Still a bummer to go down in power vs the last generation.
the reason i'm not at all worried about the stock car is that we all know mazda will bring a mazdaspeed variant out for this. guaranteed. i forget where i read it but a miata development lead/engineer said something like this chassis will be expected to have a sales life of about a decade. i wouldn't be surprised to see a MSM in about 2 years which includes a power bump, styling cues and some suspension work....par for the course stuff.
my guess is that they'll bring out a displacement bump. turbocharging the skyactiv stuff would be a mess.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 02-03-2015
I'll most likely come in somewhere in the high 30s. The Golf R starts at $37k and goes up to $40k, I bet the RS starts at $35k and goes from there if ST vs. GTI pricing is any indication.
The piano black trim behind all the buttons you touch was definitely a questionable design choice but I like the way it looks. I'd take aesthetically pleasing that smudges over just plain ugly. The GTI gets a semi-shiny plastic with a little pattern on it that looks like it would show fingerprints less.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 02-03-2015
You can clean fingerprints. You cant clean ugly.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - RawrImAMonster - 02-03-2015
SlimKlim Wrote:RawrImAMonster Wrote:Eh I really don't care about interior looks at all. None of them are that great until you get into supercar territory.
I know I'm super biased, but that interior blows compared to this.
If I'm dropping 40 stacks on a car I don't want the interior to look like it was designed by a 12 year old after spending a day at the fighter jet museum. :dunno:
Eh, that one is nothing special either. Like I said, most interiors don't really do anything for me until you get into supercar territory.
Plus I just wouldn't own any VW/Audi products so I don't really consider them an option. Too many stupid/expensive problems that shouldn't be an issue happen with those cars. BMW's are pretty much as much as I can tolerate when it comes to stupid problems and VW's seem to be worse.
From what I can see, Ford is going to have the top product in the 30-40k AWD turbo sports car range as long as it doesn't have any major issues.
The new STi isn't bad, but its starting to lack in power and it still uses the damn EJ25.
The Golf R is a VW, see above.
The Evo is gone as of the 2016 model year.
I might be forgetting one at the moment.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - Ken - 02-03-2015
.RJ Wrote:You can clean fingerprints. You cant clean ugly.
One's subjective and the other isn't :dunno:
Re: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 02-03-2015
I think the Focus RS is fabulous. It's no uglier than the STi or Evo are/were so who cares about the vents and interior. It's a roided-up econo car, you can't have everything. I like that it looks significantly more aggressive than a regular Focus.
Some would prefer the interior of the Golf R and that's perfectly fine. I think the RS will probably end up being the faster and more engaging car to drive. Either way it's nice to have options in that category.
I definitely would've considered one if they had come out before I got my M3.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 02-03-2015
I'm not that well versed but I think the Focus ST has been having a lot of issues, Jake probably has the deets. BMWs also aren't anything close to what i'd call "reliable" and the parts are just more expensive than VW. After watching everything Justin has gone through I don't think I'd ever buy a turbo-Subaru expecting it to be a reliable car.
The MK6 GTI seems like it has been much better overall than your typical VW trash. The only common issues I'm aware of are the manifold flapper things and water pumps tending to fail, both of which cost about $200 to DIY (or would be replaced under warranty) and the latter is an issue that seems to plague all german cars, especially BMWs. Jake and Maeng had the pleasure of dealing with that on Maeng's X3.
I'm not saying VW's are reliable, I'm just saying don't buy a heavily turbocharged AWD Ford and expect it treat you like a 4 cylinder Ranger.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 02-03-2015
RE: The 488 GTB
Looks like a nice evolution of the styling of the 458. Glad they didn't repeat the horror of the 360-430 evolution. As for the powerplant, this car should be pretty damned quick, but I have a feeling there'll be more cars nipping at its heels for less money than last time. Not that it matters really, Ferrari will sell every one they make.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 02-03-2015
G.Irish Wrote:It's a roided-up econo car, you can't have everything
I guess thats fine if thats what ford's target audience is. But I would expect that the 20-something ken block wanna-be's that this car appeals to arent going to be able to afford the price tag. But maybe that gets them in the door to buy the regular focus or the focus ST, so perhaps its ok.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - Jake - 02-03-2015
Apparently the ST's are having issues with the EPAS (electronic power-assisted steering) and some transmissions aren't holding up.
Frankly, I got too spellbound by the fact that the ST was both newer and faster overall compared to the Mk6 GTI. It was a true pocket rocket, and I think the RS will be even moreso, but it also sucked ass to drive on the street, and I think that effect will also be exaggerated by RSifying things. The updated interior is not much of an improvement over the pre-facelift.
I dunno, I recognize that the GTI and Golf R are also both born from a slow econocar, and have the slightly hotted-up econocar interior going on. I just think that VW has done it better than Ford/Subaru/Mitsu.
If the RS carries on with the ST's theme of torque-vectoring, it'll be a great track car for four laps at a time before the pads get too hot and give it up.
It's like the entire car is a great idea with flawed execution.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - RawrImAMonster - 02-03-2015
SlimKlim Wrote:I'm not that well versed but I think the Focus ST has been having a lot of issues, Jake probably has the deets. BMWs also aren't anything close to what i'd call "reliable" and the parts are just more expensive than VW. After watching everything Justin has gone through I don't think I'd ever buy a turbo-Subaru expecting it to be a reliable car.
The MK6 GTI seems like it has been much better overall than your typical VW trash. The only common issues I'm aware of are the manifold flapper things and water pumps tending to fail, both of which cost about $200 to DIY (or would be replaced under warranty) and the latter is an issue that seems to plague all german cars, especially BMWs. Jake and Maeng had the pleasure of dealing with that on Maeng's X3.
I'm not saying VW's are reliable, I'm just saying don't buy a heavily turbocharged AWD Ford and expect it treat you like a 4 cylinder Ranger.
My cousins 2014 GTI has went through 3 water pumps in under 40k miles. That has left him stranded on 3 different occasions. Luckily he is under warranty, so it hasn't cost him anything other than time. He has had other problems with it, but I can't remember what they are at the moment. He did mention that he would never own another VW again in his life.
I'll be the first to say BMW's are unreliable junk, but I do think they hold up better than VW/Audi's. My water pump's normal lifespan is about 60k miles which isn't great either. But, at least it isn't replacing a water pump every time you change oil kind of frequency.
Either way, I would definitely expect a ford to hold up better than anything german. Although, this Ford is going to be built in Germany, so that is worrying.
Jake Wrote:If the RS carries on with the ST's theme of torque-vectoring, it'll be a great track car for four laps at a time before the pads get too hot and give it up.
It's like the entire car is a great idea with flawed execution.
I'm not sure about the front, but it did specifically mention that the rear had an electronically controlled clutch pack to manage torque vectoring.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 02-03-2015
.RJ Wrote:I think there are a good number of people who would've bought a 5-door STi or even a 4-door STi if it had an improved engine. There are probably enough buyers who need a practical pocket rocket who can afford something like this who will buy it. I can't imagine Ford is trying to sell 12000 units a year anyway.G.Irish Wrote:It's a roided-up econo car, you can't have everything
I guess thats fine if thats what ford's target audience is. But I would expect that the 20-something ken block wanna-be's that this car appeals to arent going to be able to afford the price tag. But maybe that gets them in the door to buy the regular focus or the focus ST, so perhaps its ok.