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- Chris - 09-19-2005
I'm glad this was brought back up. I've really worked on heel-toe and have it pretty good now. I know what you're saying Chad about just getting the revs high enough even if its not perfectly rev matching.
Scotty is also right- practice once you're going fast enough to stand on the brakes for a longer period- like an exit ramp off a highway. Cobetto and the instructors have always said to practice in a clover-leaf highway thingy- of course following all traffic laws!
Its fun to do all day long, but you'll get strange remarks from passengers :twisted:
- Jeff - 09-19-2005
Yay, I think I'ma play with this once I get the car on the road. There will be no "rev-matching" for me anyways, my tach will say the engine can rev to 7200RPM however redline for a 2.2/2.5 is something in the 6800ish. lol Nothing reads properly...lol
- Mike - 09-19-2005
you don't look at the tach to "rev-match."
- .RJ - 09-19-2005
yep... i'm too busy looking at not running into shit to worry about the tach
- D_Eclipse9916 - 09-20-2005
Maybe a suggestion for new people trying to learn Heel/toe is to first learn how to rev-match. The easiest one to start out with would be 4th to third gear. Lets say your cruising at 3000rpm in 4th gear, shove in the clutch, blip(and I mean blip, dont spend more than a half-second hitting the gas) and let the clutch out half-way slowly at first when your learning as you have it shifted into third. Once you get this perfect you should be able to slam down the clutch, blip throttle, and literally totally lift the clutch off without a slight hesitation of the eninge other than engine braking.
After this is perfected, work on the other gears in the same exact way. Once youve got all this down, you understand the concept of heel/toe and all you need to do is rotate your ankle a little bit while braking to blip the throttle, also, if your doing it fast enough, may not need to do anything more than a very light tap of the gas pedal.
- D_Eclipse9916 - 09-20-2005
PS...the worst thing evere to do is look at the rpms. always fucks me up. Meh, probably suck at driving anyway cuz I havent driven the car in 3.5 weeks except literally across the street to the gas station to get beer. I cant drive hard cuz I have a spare on......
- Jeff - 09-20-2005
I never use the tach for anything. So even if it was right it wouldn't matter to me. I guess chad was right to point out there will never be an exact match, because one could mis-understood it to mean that you must find a numerical "sweet spot" and try to hit it every time for the respective gear change. I am starting to hate automatics, I only like the Sebring because the wheels bling and the top goes down.
- white_2kgt - 09-20-2005
TurboOmni08 Wrote:I never use the tach for anything. So even if it was right it wouldn't matter to me. I guess chad was right to point out there will never be an exact match, because one could mis-understood it to mean that you must find a numerical "sweet spot" and try to hit it every time for the respective gear change. I am starting to hate automatics, I only like the Sebring because the wheels bling and the top goes down.
How do you heel-toe an automatic??
- ScottyB - 09-20-2005
white_2kgt Wrote:TurboOmni08 Wrote:I never use the tach for anything. So even if it was right it wouldn't matter to me. I guess chad was right to point out there will never be an exact match, because one could mis-understood it to mean that you must find a numerical "sweet spot" and try to hit it every time for the respective gear change. I am starting to hate automatics, I only like the Sebring because the wheels bling and the top goes down.
How do you heel-toe an automatic??
only one of his cars is automatic.
- white_2kgt - 09-20-2005
ScottyB Wrote:white_2kgt Wrote:TurboOmni08 Wrote:I never use the tach for anything. So even if it was right it wouldn't matter to me. I guess chad was right to point out there will never be an exact match, because one could mis-understood it to mean that you must find a numerical "sweet spot" and try to hit it every time for the respective gear change. I am starting to hate automatics, I only like the Sebring because the wheels bling and the top goes down.
How do you heel-toe an automatic??
only one of his cars is automatic.
ahh
- Jeff - 09-20-2005
nice assist Scotty
- Maengelito - 09-20-2005
Evan Wrote:chad forgot his most important step:
make sure you are in the correct gear
ouch.
- ScottyB - 09-20-2005
TurboOmni08 Wrote:
got yer back like whoa dawg
- white_2kgt - 09-20-2005
Maengelito Wrote:Evan Wrote:chad forgot his most important step:
make sure you are in the correct gear
ouch.
slow reader hu?
- Jeff - 09-26-2005
Oh, just to show. This is the "heel-toe" pedal mentioned on my window sticker...
- Evan - 09-26-2005
yikes.
thats way too close
you want them close, but not too close.
- Jeff - 09-26-2005
I can roll my foot onto the pedal from the brake and still be braking... It would work like that in theory but I am not sure in practice. Is that a safe way to do it?
- Andy - 10-10-2005
How do you not accidentally stab the wrong pedal with those pedals so close?
I've been heel-toeing 5-3. Is that cool so long as it shifts smoothly and rev matched properly? The MR2's powerband is really narrow and shitty and when I go 5-4, it bogs.
- Mike - 10-10-2005
when downshifting you should go directly to the proper gear, so yes 5->3 is fine.
- Evan - 10-10-2005
no, thats a matter of preference.
For me it depends on the corner and how many gears Im skipping, but most of the time its much smoother (with less risk of over-rev) to row through the gears.
T1 at summit Im going from 5th to 2nd, no way to keep it smooth if you jump straight to 2nd