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RE: The MM Network - Senor_Taylor - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 11:03 AM).RJ Wrote:I'm referring to a long stretch of life in this role being shitty with no end in sight, unless management turns things around.(12-03-2018, 10:38 AM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: The writing is on the wall.
For what? Your support team/structure isnt going anywhere.
You can either stew in the misery of the team, you can work to change the situation, or you can leave. If you think the issue is a deeper rooted cultural issue (which is a boogeyman) then the easiest thing to do is find work elsewhere, either in the company our outside. Sometimes its not worth the squeeze to fight that yourself.
I've got my own thing going on, and whatever happens to them after I leave is on them. I'm just saying it's needs to be sooner rather than later. This isn't development, so being down engineers doesn't mean they can just take on less story work.
I'm getting out. Just needs to be sooner, rather than later.
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RE: The MM Network - Mike - 12-03-2018
(08-08-2017, 04:03 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: We send people to Portland often from my office.
I work on the other side of the floor as Cvent now. Let me know when you secure a trip!
RE: The MM Network - Senor_Taylor - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 11:24 AM)Mike Wrote:I've heard there's a bar arcade near there, right? Sounds like a cool office.(08-08-2017, 04:03 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: We send people to Portland often from my office.
I work on the other side of the floor as Cvent now. Let me know when you secure a trip!
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RE: The MM Network - .RJ - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 11:21 AM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: I'm referring to a long stretch of life in this role being shitty with no end in sight, unless management turns things around.
Do you want to change anything or just complain about it? Serious question.
RE: The MM Network - Senor_Taylor - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 11:42 AM).RJ Wrote:Why would I change anything at a place I plan on leaving? Just wanted to share what's happening and how it's validating my existing desires to go elsewhere.(12-03-2018, 11:21 AM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: I'm referring to a long stretch of life in this role being shitty with no end in sight, unless management turns things around.
Do you want to change anything or just complain about it? Serious question.
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RE: The MM Network - Mike - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 11:27 AM)Senor_Taylor Wrote:(12-03-2018, 11:24 AM)Mike Wrote:I've heard there's a bar arcade near there, right? Sounds like a cool office.(08-08-2017, 04:03 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: We send people to Portland often from my office.
I work on the other side of the floor as Cvent now. Let me know when you secure a trip!
There's one downtown and downtown isn't all that large (you could walk end to end in less than an hour). It's Portland. Everything is cooler.
RE: The MM Network - Apoc - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 11:56 AM)Mike Wrote:(12-03-2018, 11:27 AM)Senor_Taylor Wrote:(12-03-2018, 11:24 AM)Mike Wrote:I've heard there's a bar arcade near there, right? Sounds like a cool office.(08-08-2017, 04:03 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: We send people to Portland often from my office.
I work on the other side of the floor as Cvent now. Let me know when you secure a trip!
There's one downtown and downtown isn't all that large (you could walk end to end in less than an hour). It's Portland. Everything is cooler.
Except when they play the music too damn loud.
RE: The MM Network - HAULN-SS - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 11:18 AM)Evan Wrote: Thats not a unique situation. Turnover right now in the industry is the highest I've ever seen it. Salaries and bill rates are up across the board so people are jumping ship to get raises.
Right now Im making sure that my developers are getting nice out of cycle raises to keep up with the market. Most companies dont do that and will underpay people until they leave.
Yup. I'm in a unique profit sharing position right now at my company, but if I wasn't I'd be one of those people. Profit sharing won't last forever, and is sporadic as is. I put in for an out of cycle raise a couple of months ago - they came back with some, but not what I asked for. I might still be shopping in the near future. My boss says "it's a bubble" and wonders why I'd want to explore options. Lol.
It reminds me of the stories I used to hear of the post 9/11 days. I remember hearing about companies giving cars for sign on bonuses and such back then. Not long ago a company near me parked a tesla on the lawn and said "refer someone, win a tesla"...that's getting pretty close.
RE: The MM Network - Deceus - 12-04-2018
I'm thinking of shooting for the moon and going for Amazon. There's 72 openings in Herndon right now. Obviously not in commuting distance but looking at the typical salaries on Glassdoor I could easily swing a one bedroom apartment to stay at Mon-Fri on top of my current expenses. It would suck to see a decent chunk of a raise go to something like that but it would certainly salvage my resume.
The real kicker is they don't seem to care at all what I have done or what I'm currently doing. Their interview process is well-known so it'll be easy to prep for and I shouldn't be blind-sided by anything. Just have to grind leetcode problems and get a good idea what they're looking for in the behavioral portions. The alternative seems to be working in Charlottesville with a 2 hour commute and a $20k pay cut, no thanks.
RE: The MM Network - Jake - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 04:19 PM)Deceus Wrote: I'm thinking of shooting for the moon and going for Amazon. There's 72 openings in Herndon right now. Obviously not in commuting distance but looking at the typical salaries on Glassdoor I could easily swing a one bedroom apartment to stay at Mon-Fri on top of my current expenses. It would suck to see a decent chunk of a raise go to something like that but it would certainly salvage my resume.
The real kicker is they don't seem to care at all what I have done or what I'm currently doing. Their interview process is well-known so it'll be easy to prep for and I shouldn't be blind-sided by anything. Just have to grind leetcode problems and get a good idea what they're looking for in the behavioral portions. The alternative seems to be working in Charlottesville with a 2 hour commute and a $20k pay cut, no thanks.
If you want to chat with someone who's (I think) doing similar work to what you are looking at with Amazon, message me and I can put you guys in touch. He's been time trialing/racing with NASA for a few years now and I'm sure would be willing to chat a little.
RE: The MM Network - Deceus - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 04:39 PM)Jake Wrote:(12-04-2018, 04:19 PM)Deceus Wrote: I'm thinking of shooting for the moon and going for Amazon. There's 72 openings in Herndon right now. Obviously not in commuting distance but looking at the typical salaries on Glassdoor I could easily swing a one bedroom apartment to stay at Mon-Fri on top of my current expenses. It would suck to see a decent chunk of a raise go to something like that but it would certainly salvage my resume.
The real kicker is they don't seem to care at all what I have done or what I'm currently doing. Their interview process is well-known so it'll be easy to prep for and I shouldn't be blind-sided by anything. Just have to grind leetcode problems and get a good idea what they're looking for in the behavioral portions. The alternative seems to be working in Charlottesville with a 2 hour commute and a $20k pay cut, no thanks.
If you want to chat with someone who's (I think) doing similar work to what you are looking at with Amazon, message me and I can put you guys in touch. He's been time trialing/racing with NASA for a few years now and I'm sure would be willing to chat a little.
I'll definitely take you up on that sometime. It's probably a bit premature to do anything other than revisit data structures and algorithms/scalablity for the next month or 2 since I haven't touched that stuff since college. Apparently there's some AWS Developer certification out there as well to look in to.
RE: The MM Network - Senor_Taylor - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 04:39 PM)Jake Wrote:(12-04-2018, 04:19 PM)Deceus Wrote: I'm thinking of shooting for the moon and going for Amazon. There's 72 openings in Herndon right now. Obviously not in commuting distance but looking at the typical salaries on Glassdoor I could easily swing a one bedroom apartment to stay at Mon-Fri on top of my current expenses. It would suck to see a decent chunk of a raise go to something like that but it would certainly salvage my resume.
The real kicker is they don't seem to care at all what I have done or what I'm currently doing. Their interview process is well-known so it'll be easy to prep for and I shouldn't be blind-sided by anything. Just have to grind leetcode problems and get a good idea what they're looking for in the behavioral portions. The alternative seems to be working in Charlottesville with a 2 hour commute and a $20k pay cut, no thanks.
If you want to chat with someone who's (I think) doing similar work to what you are looking at with Amazon, message me and I can put you guys in touch. He's been time trialing/racing with NASA for a few years now and I'm sure would be willing to chat a little.
Chugg Life? He's not a dev. He's an architect, I think.
RE: The MM Network - Jake - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 05:26 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: Chugg Life? He's not a dev. He's an architect, I think.
Yeah. Regardless, I'm sure he would be able to provide good insight into the culture and work there, and perhaps help Chris out with a referral or something. Always worth talking to connections even if they aren't doing the same thing you are.
RE: The MM Network - Deceus - 12-04-2018
Yeah Amazon is huge and has their hands in a ton of pots. Just sifting through the current Software Engineer postings in Herndon is a little overwhelming. Looks like there's a bit of everything in there so any sort of insight to what is going on there and what they're looking to do would probably help me out a good bit.
I reached out to a friend from college who's working there now and likely has a few tech recruiter connections so hopefully I won't be preparing blindly.
RE: The MM Network - .RJ - 12-04-2018
My wife worked at that amazon office in Herndon for a bit. The work culture there blows, I hope you like working a lot of hours. It doesnt carry the same clout around here for having it on your resume, either.
If you want to commute mon-thurs to work in this area for mo' money there are better options.
RE: The MM Network - Apoc - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 08:27 PM).RJ Wrote: The work culture there blows, I hope you like working a lot of hours.
To be fair, wasn't she a contractor and isn't that her feedback on the job she has now too? I know a handful of people in the Herndon offices and they don't have any complaints... but they're employees. Amazon on one's resume most definitely doesn't mean as much as it used to, but I think a lot depends on what you're actually doing. Most anything with AWS is in pretty high demand.
FWIW, I've been at Amazon for seven years and haven't worked over a 50 hour week in probably five. I'd estimate I'm averaging 42 hours over the last 2-3 years.
Deceus - Give me a shout if you have questions. I'm in HR (finance and MIS degrees), have interviewed hundreds of people here, hired a bunch of tech talent (mostly ML or BIE, not SDE), and my first role here was in the recruiting world.
RE: The MM Network - .RJ - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 08:44 PM)Apoc Wrote:(12-04-2018, 08:27 PM).RJ Wrote: The work culture there blows, I hope you like working a lot of hours.
To be fair, wasn't she a contractor and isn't that her feedback on the job she has now too?
Its a fair point. There's also a ton of options up this way if thats on the table.
RE: The MM Network - Deceus - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 08:27 PM).RJ Wrote: My wife worked at that amazon office in Herndon for a bit. The work culture there blows, I hope you like working a lot of hours. It doesnt carry the same clout around here for having it on your resume, either.
If you want to commute mon-thurs to work in this area for mo' money there are better options.
Most of them seem to either A) require a current active TS/SCI or B) require I have 5 years experience in some enterprise software stack that's only been out 5 years. A lot of them seem to be more of the same thing I've dealt with for the last 7 years. I want to break away from supporting shitty government run programs with endless maintenance due to shitty government oversight that requires every fix be a band-aid fix. Even jobs that are pretty relaxed on the specifics I won't have enough javascript experience for the front end roles or enough SQL/API experience for the backend roles.
If you got some specifics on those better options I'd love to hear them but I'm more than willing to dive into long hours if it's doing something that's going to dig me out of this trench I've made for myself.
The main selling point for Amazon for me is how they handle interviews. From what I've heard from quite a few sources I just need to commit to learning their leadership principals and have a deep understanding of general problem solving, algorithms, data structures and scaling. A lot of their previous interview questions are all over the place and the process is pretty well documented so there shouldn't be any surprises unlike the last 2 "adventures" I've had so far.
RE: The MM Network - .RJ - 12-04-2018
(12-04-2018, 09:18 PM)Deceus Wrote: I want to break away from supporting shitty government run programs with endless maintenance due to shitty government oversight that requires every fix be a band-aid fix.
Well, we've got more than our fair share of that bullshit if you want more up here
The MM Network - Senor_Taylor - 12-13-2018
Welp, I have my final interview at Alarm.com Wednesday for a Product Manager role. Does anyone have any advice or know anyone in that type of job that could give me expectations?
Should I practice making some activity diagrams, use case, work flow charts, etc?
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