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Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Apoc - 02-16-2011
G.Irish Wrote:Apoc Wrote:The Xoom is WAY overpriced. If anything, I think the Playbook will be better value for money.Not really. The Xoom costs $70 more than the comparable 32GB 3G iPad and it has two cameras which the iPad does not. I think the reason people have been exclaiming that the Xoom is overpriced is because everyone assumes that the Apple product is the always going to be the most expensive. So if something is more expensive than Apple it must be overpriced.
Never mind the fact the Xoom has a few more features (really just the cameras) and that Apple was VERY aggressive in pricing the iPad. Don't know if it's really worth it to get a Xoom, just saying it's not wildly overpriced like some make it out to be. If iPad 2 comes out with the dual cameras and undercuts the Xoom then you could say it's overpriced but even then, you're only talk $70 (if Apple prices the iPad the same).
The iPad is overpriced so by extension the Xoom is overpriced.
Maybe I just don't understand the value add of those over say, the link Evan posted.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Jake - 02-16-2011
I have a 15" MacBook Pro and an iPad. Both work fine in tandem but I don't love either one. I think I'd rather have a powerful desktop and an 11" MacBook Air. As a single-machine compromise, I'm with Mike. 13" MBP. Hook it up to a big monitor and bluetooth keyboard/mouse at home.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - NTIman - 02-17-2011
I really like my 13 inch macbook. Definite get the macbook pro, though, I wish I had because my plastic case is cracking. But I've been using it for a while now and it has been great, and does really well hooked to a TV and all that. Plus it's the prefect size, it's display is big enough to see, but it's not too big to want to carry.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Evan - 02-17-2011
daamn!
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Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - BLINGMW - 02-17-2011
NTIman Wrote:I really like my 13 inch macbook. Definite get the macbook pro, though, I wish I had because my plastic case is cracking. But I've been using it for a while now and it has been great, and does really well hooked to a TV and all that. Plus it's the prefect size, it's display is big enough to see, but it's not too big to want to carry.
Yup, I 2nd that, don't get the white one, they all crack up, ours was starting to as well.
Pro or Air all the way. We have a previous model 13" Air at home. I can put it in my briefcase WITH my work laptop (brick) and forget it's there. Mikey says they're "slow".... depends on what you need it to do. For web surfing, taking notes, video, light work, it's more than enough power, sounds like it would be enough for her too. Ours feels at least as fast as the 2+ghz white one it replaced. And ours doesn't even have the SSD that they have now, I'm sure that's a big speed boost. And one more moving part that won't break if it gets dropped.
There's a current model 11" Air refurb for $850 right now:
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If you want to save some $ or prefer PC, I've used a couple versions of Dell's mini line that were pretty well put together. The 11z had an *almost* full size keyboard (close enough that I got used to it quickly) and had some real processor choices (non-atom) too.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Apoc - 02-17-2011
Thanks for the feedback all. I'm sure a MacPro is great for full timers, but it is out of my price range given this will be her third computer.
Evan Wrote:daamn!
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AMD Dual-Core E-350, 1.6GHz, 3GB DDR3, 320GB HD, Radeon HD 6310M
Damnit... I just picked the other one from amazon for the same price (-$10 Living Social) and can't cancel.
AMD AMD Athlon 64 X2, 1.2GHz, 2GB DDR3, 250GB HD, Radeon HD Radeon X127
It'll be more than enough, but I wouldn't have minded getting more (esp. RAM) for the same price. :x
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - ViPER1313 - 02-17-2011
The E350 is on par with an Atom processor. An Athlon X2 should be a lot faster. You made the right choice.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Maengelito - 02-21-2011
Mike Wrote:WRXtranceformed Wrote:Mike Wrote:Apple hater?^^ This
I'll never understand your type. Enjoy your throwaway products!
I know a lot of mac owners that are on their 2nd or 3rd macbook and have had atleast 2 or 3 ipods before. I am still using the same Dell desktop I bought 8 years ago.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - BLINGMW - 02-21-2011
desktop lasts longer than laptop, news at 11 :bootyshake:
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Evan - 02-21-2011
Apple obsoletes technology MUCH faster than PC. Anyone with a pre-intel mac is fucked. Any apple user with a firewire hardrive is fucked, etc etc.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - BLINGMW - 02-21-2011
It's funny, I used to say the same thing the other way around. In the '90s, I was like, man, I can put a little RAM in this here 8yr old LCII, run OS8 on it just fine, and it's like a new computer! But good luck putting win98 on your 8yr old PC! Har har stupid PCs :lol: :lol:
OS X and the jump to Intel proc pretty much killed all that. While people are still running 10yr old winXP (myself included) for both games and work. Oh well. :oops: The cost of being "hip" I guess :dunno:
FWIW, I too am on our 3rd or 4th mac laptop, but that's by choice. I was always able to sell the previous one in great shape for some decent $. While yes, we have Jess' 10yr old college Dell downstairs that does most things just fine. It can even ALMOST play Halo reasonably.
well... back to the topic then... sorry to hear you decided on a PC laptop, they're crap. :lol:
need more smileys
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Apoc - 02-21-2011
It seems Mac people always talk about getting "good money" for their old stuff when they upgrade. That's fine, if that's your bag, but I think most people who stick with PCs don't mind keeping a machine until it fully depreciates. The Mac culture is buy, use, upgrade (true for any i*, really). The PC culture is buy, abuse, replace. Diff'rent strokes.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - G.Irish - 02-21-2011
Apoc Wrote:It seems Mac people always talk about getting "good money" for their old stuff when they upgrade. That's fine, if that's your bag, but I think most people who stick with PCs don't mind keeping a machine until it fully depreciates. The Mac culture is buy, use, upgrade (true for any i*, really). The PC culture is buy, abuse, replace. Diff'rent strokes.I think that's because for PC's it's not an option. If people could get decent money selling a PC 2 or 3 years down the line and use the money to upgrade, they would. But most of the time that is not the case.
That said, if you started out buying some PC hardware that has already done most of its depreciation you could sell it in a year or two and not get totally hosed. That's what I did with an IBM laptop I had for travel that I bought for $250 and sold for about $200.
I haven't checked what resale looks like for some of the higher end PC laptops though. I really like the HP Envy and if I was in the market for a non-Mac I'd definitely give it a hard look.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Apoc - 02-21-2011
G.Irish Wrote:I think that's because for PC's it's not an option. If people could get decent money selling a PC 2 or 3 years down the line and use the money to upgrade, they would. But most of the time that is not the case.
I disagree. I've had the same equipment for years and it's not because I'm "stuck with it." If I wanted something new, I'd buy it, but I just don't have a need for the latest and greatest version. What I have does the job, so why upgrade? I'll just run it into the ground and replace it when it dies.
People are the same way about cars. I like something new every few years, but other people are happy driving the same thing for 5-10 years. Not everyone that does that because they can't get anything for their old car, they're just happy with something that gets them to work in relative comfort. Like I said, it's just about priorities and interests.
As an amusing anecdote, I've bought three laptops in my lifetime. One for my dad and now two for my wife. I've never bought one for myself and probably won't until the freebie AOL game me when they laid me off dies. :lol:
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Evan - 02-21-2011
false economy. Macs get 'decent money' used because the cost 'assrape money' new. Youre spending lots less money by using up a PC and buying a new one, so you're still spending more money on macs.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - G.Irish - 02-22-2011
Evan Wrote:false economy. Macs get 'decent money' used because the cost 'assrape money' new. Youre spending lots less money by using up a PC and buying a new one, so you're still spending more money on macs.Yeah but I wasn't saying that you were saving money that way, just saying that Macs tend to hold their value better so you can sell them and upgrade more easily. In the long run you've definitely spent more money. It would be the same deal between a Lexus and a Kia. If you're buying a Lexus you're not saving money but the residuals are better (not dramatically so). Note: I'm not saying PC's are Kias compared to Macs.
Quote:I disagree. I've had the same equipment for years and it's not because I'm "stuck with it." If I wanted something new, I'd buy it, but I just don't have a need for the latest and greatest version. What I have does the job, so why upgrade? I'll just run it into the ground and replace it when it dies.While some people switch cars less often, some more, the point is that in general PC's lose so much value it's not worth to sell and upgrade anyway. My analogy would be car leases. If a car has good residual value it makes for a less expensive lease and people can trade their car in more easily. Cars that lose their value quickly don't tend to be leased and people who buy those cars aren't likely trade them in for a new car as often.
People are the same way about cars. I like something new every few years, but other people are happy driving the same thing for 5-10 years. Not everyone that does that because they can't get anything for their old car, they're just happy with something that gets them to work in relative comfort. Like I said, it's just about priorities and interests.
I do agree that the typical Mac buyer is also more likely to be someone who likes to buy the latest and greatest thing so that definitely plays a role.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Apoc - 02-22-2011
I don't think resale value has anything to do with being leased, it has to do with people wanting something they otherwise can't afford. Also, businesses lease PCs like a champ, so I'm not sure the lease comparison is even valid. :-P
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Evan - 02-22-2011
I think the mac vs pc argument always boils down to the experience. If you prefer the mac user experience and are willing to pay the premium for it, then you do. If you prefer the pc experience or are not willing to pay for the mac experience then you buy a pc. (edit: oh, and the upgradability and stuff)
since they both run on the same hardware now and most applications are ported to both, that seems to be about the only major difference.
no religious debates necessary!
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Jake - 02-22-2011
When it comes to laptops, the biggest thing that keeps me on a Mac? The trackpad. Every trackpad on every Windows laptop I've used sucks so bad. Apple's got it goin' on with a massive trackpad, multitouch, swiping every which way, etc.
Oh, and my 8-hour battery is kinda nice too, but other laptops have that. I think Apple's power management is pretty well-done though. And the backlit keyboard that is evenly lit. And the screen that I can move around without thinking it will fall apart.
Yes, I prefer Macs for software reasons, but a Windows desktop isn't the worst thing in the world. Most Windows laptops just come across as massive piles of shit.
Re: What are kids usin' these days for class laptops? - Apoc - 02-22-2011
I don't want a Mac 'cause then I have to steal twice as much software! :lol: