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- Apoc - 08-01-2008
Isn't Titan (or is it IO?) where it rains a form of gasoline? I seem to remember something like that from 10th grade science.
- CaptainHenreh - 08-02-2008
Mike Wrote:you're way to grounded in the laws of what has been discovered here on our tiny earth... open up. haven't we time and again rewritten the rules?
I'm not sure what you mean, Mike. I'm open to finding life anywhere, but I think our time and energy (which has a constantly shrinking budget) is best spent, in my opinion, looking in places that have conditions we *know* can support life. Science agrees with me. It's my opinion that the universe should at least be crawling with bacteria, if not more advanced life, and it's curious that we haven't found any yet. (On the flip side, our probes aren't really advanced enough to for sure detect life...we're constantly refining our life tests for probes.) But surely you can agree that it's more efficient to look for life in conditions where we know life can exist than look for it somewhere...else.
Water in the permafrost of mars is no big surprise to me. We've known there was water on Mars for a long time, a spectrometer tolut d us that. Liquid water, well, we *still* haven't found any on mars, but this latest discovery means there's alot more than we thought and there's a good possibility of subterranean life where the atmospheric pressure would be sufficient to prevent sublimation of the water.
Apoc Wrote:Isn't Titan (or is it IO?) where it rains a form of gasoline? I seem to remember something like that from 10th grade science.
Yeah. Titan is full of hydrocarbons, and it's long been theorized that they are in a liquid state on the surface. We don't know for *sure* it "rains gasoline" on Titan, but call it "99% likely".
- Sijray21 - 08-02-2008
rofl at the blowing up of Titan comment :lol:
this is awesome that they found water on mars though! i'm really hoping to find an earth-like system with a sustainable atmosphere outside our system with the search for more planets, that would be amazing
- JustinG - 08-02-2008
![[Image: i-want-to-believe.jpg]](http://www.popculturebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/i-want-to-believe.jpg)
- Mike - 08-02-2008
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Mike Wrote:you're way to grounded in the laws of what has been discovered here on our tiny earth... open up. haven't we time and again rewritten the rules?
But surely you can agree that it's more efficient to look for life in conditions where we know life can exist than look for it somewhere...else.
I can agree. I'm just saying that blanket statements like "fire needs oxygen" and "life needs water" don't really mean much considering how little of everything we have researched/studied/discovered/blah/blah.
- BLINGMW - 08-02-2008
Titan
Drill There
Drill Now
- Apoc - 08-02-2008
Maybe there's a race of SUVs living on Titan. They have anti-freeze for blood so they don't need water for cooling. I bet they look a lot like those buffalo lookin' thingies on esuvee commercials from a few years back.
![[Image: esuvee.jpg]](http://www.monsterbox.com/img/screenshots/esuvee.jpg)
- PGK - 08-04-2008
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Water is important because it's a liquid medium for complex molecule development.
Without some kind of liquid, life as we know it and pretty much as we can conceive it isn't possible.
which is also why earth is so great because it's warm enough that water is liquid over most of the planet. And there is a lot of it.
- HAULN-SS - 08-04-2008
PGK Wrote:which is also why earth is so great
careful, generalizations like that will get you in trouble on this board for not being open minded enough, or somehow not multi-universal(a word?) enough
- CaptainHenreh - 08-04-2008
The other part of why water is so important is that there is more and more evidence that panspermia is a viable scientific theory, and that cometary impacts could spread life to other planets or even solar systems. That's why life on *this* planet is so important to match conditions to.
Or, at least, that's where we spend a bunch of our money. There's alot of reasearch and planning going on to try to get under Europan ice (est 3-4 kilometers thick at the lowest) because that's another really good candidate for life. We're pretty sure there's a significant liquid water ocean under the ice, and while it's really unlikely that there would ever be intelligent life to develop there, even finding the smallest most insignificant microbe and verifying it's extraterrestrial origin would pretty much guarantee the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life in the universe.
- BLINGMW - 08-04-2008
PGK Wrote:which is also why earth is so great
You earthocentric, universalist bastard :finger:
- ViPER1313 - 08-04-2008
No one arguing the opposite point of view?
![[Image: creationism.jpeg]](http://www.bagheera.dk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/creationism.jpeg)
- ScottyB - 08-05-2008
ViPER1313 Wrote:No one arguing the opposite point of view?
i'm not really sure what there is to argue? finding life or lack thereof doesn't prove or disprove anything.
more raptorJesus please!
![[Image: RaptorJesus04.jpg]](http://www.g0tr00t.co.uk/RaptorJesus/RaptorJesus04.jpg)
- WRXtranceformed - 08-05-2008
This could be a minor setback to life on Mars:
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- mrbaggio - 08-05-2008
cnn Wrote:The chemical, perchlorate, is an oxidant widely used in solid rocket fuel.
Holyshit Mars is made of rocket fuel. Here come lower gas prices. Fuck OPEC
- Kaan - 08-05-2008
lol because getting rocket fuel from mars will be cheap
- CaptainHenreh - 08-05-2008
We use Hydrazine for rocket fuel.