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- .RJ - 03-12-2006
WRXtranceformed Wrote:I bought a set of Hawk HPS which are supposed to be really good street pads. Came more highly acclaimed than the bobcats by a lot of people in the Subaru community anyhow.
The bobcasts are much better pads than the HPS - I've used them and they're not hardly any better than stock pads really.
No offense to the "subaru community" but i've seen alot of crap come out of nasioc.
- G.Irish - 03-12-2006
HPS aren't bad pads but I used HP+ on my Integra and I cooked the shit out of them at my first track day (when I wasn't fast yet) and they made a hell of a lot of noise. You'd probably like the Bobcats or Ultimates better.
- Nis01 - 03-12-2006
.RJ Wrote:The bobcasts are much better pads than the HPS - I've used them and they're not hardly any better than stock pads really.
No offense to the "subaru community" but i've seen alot of crap come out of nasioc.
Lee, I believe the HPS pads will be just fine for street use and even the occasional auto-x... let us know how they compare to the stock pads. I've also heard really good things about the Bobcats and was thinking about purchasing some but was recommended to get Cobalt pads.
It has definitely become much more difficult to sort out the fluff from the actual facts on NABISCO... I rarely use that site for obtaining information, every thread just becomes a flame fest.
- white_2kgt - 03-12-2006
Maengelito Wrote:they also cast the holes in rotor so the material isnt weakened by the x-drilling.
If you, or anyone else for that matter, can PROVE there are xdrilled rotors w/ the holes CAST there is a benjamin in it for you.
- WRXtranceformed - 03-12-2006
Another thing that swayed me towards the HPS are that Hawk and Powerslot are sister companies, so both of their products are supposed to work exceptionally well together. I'll let you all know how they feel, if I ever get my car back =p
- .RJ - 03-12-2006
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Hawk and Powerslot are sister companies, so both of their products are supposed to work exceptionally well together.
Doesnt matter - rotors are cast iron, and will have no effect on what kind of pads you are using.
I hope this isnt some marketing deal.....
- .RJ - 03-12-2006
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Hawk and Powerslot are sister companies, so both of their products are supposed to work exceptionally well together.
Doesnt matter - rotors are cast iron, and will have no effect on what kind of pads you are using.
I hope this isnt some marketing deal.....
- WRXtranceformed - 03-12-2006
*Shrug* we'll see :wink:
This entire brake kit was cheaper than just 3 of my OEM rotors. I'm looking forward to doing a comparison.
BTW RJ, double post for the win!
- Mike - 03-12-2006
how are you gonna do a comparison? did your oem brakes lock up the tires? i bet the did. aside from fade, which you shouldn't see happen on the street, they wil function the same to you.
- WRXtranceformed - 03-12-2006
Mike Wrote:how are you gonna do a comparison? did your oem brakes lock up the tires? i bet the did. aside from fade, which you shouldn't see happen on the street, they wil function the same to you.If this new setup operates the same or slightly better than my stock setup, I would be 100% happy. The stock brakes on this car, even when low on life, were worlds better than the stock brakes on my old WRX. If I can get OEM or better performance for a third of the price, I'll be like this --->
- Mike - 03-12-2006
word. what set up is this again? i'm baffled that an upgrade kit is a fraction of the cost of oem. are we talking oem as in rotors from subaru or advance?
- WRXtranceformed - 03-12-2006
Whole kit is:
Powerslot slotted rotors (front and rear)
Hawk HPS pads (front and rear)
2 bottle of Motul 5.1 fluid
Goodridge stainless steel lines
I was talking about the Subaru OEM Brembo rotors. They're so fuckin expensive! When I went to AAP in Leesburg, they said they didn't even carry any generic rotors for the STi, the dude said I'd have to get them from Subaru... which was probably very wrong, but I didn't feel like arguing about it.
- D_Eclipse9916 - 03-12-2006
white_2kgt Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:they also cast the holes in rotor so the material isnt weakened by the x-drilling.
If you, or anyone else for that matter, can PROVE there are xdrilled rotors w/ the holes CAST there is a benjamin in it for you.
Promise?
Alright, when can I get that benjamin. Check out Zimmerman brakes, in fact here is a link.
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OH- PS- Isnt it true that you say you shouldnt go with drilled if your driving hard on them as they will crack.. However, daily driving they are actually beneficial. Drilled rotors have less rotational mass, so therefore better gas mileage. They do however reduce pad life. I got them so that they A) look better B) I got mine in a package deal with ss lines and pads for cheap. C) Less rotational mass.
For the sporty guy like me who does autocrosses and daily drives, it is an added advantage to get these rotors. Also, since I decided the GSX will never see (or rarely) road racing courses, I am not worried about too much heat build-up that could crack the rotors.
- G.Irish - 03-12-2006
Mike Wrote:how are you gonna do a comparison? did your oem brakes lock up the tires? i bet the did. aside from fade, which you shouldn't see happen on the street, they wil function the same to you.
If the new pads have a higher coefficient of friction he will experience more initial bite and less pedal effort to achieve the same amount of braking force.
- Dave - 03-12-2006
I think Super Blue is a great product, especially considering that it isn't that expensive and it has a decent boiling point. That's what I use in all my cars and the only time that I have ever boiled it was at CMP when I was using my brakes way too much on Sat. when I was learning the course.
I like Hawk pads, personally. I rode on HP+ pads for the first three events in the supra, before I moved up to Hawk Blues (got a killer price on them). I've now used the HP+ pads as a street pad and still riding on the same set that I used back when i tracked the car. I wasn't exactly impressed with the Ultimates that I had on the 240, but I've been pretty pleased so far (only 1 event) with the XP8s that I'm using on the SE-R.
Blair, I have a set of Hawk HP+ pads for a stock S13 that I bought a year ago. Hit me up, we'll work out a good deal.
- .RJ - 03-12-2006
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Alright, when can I get that benjamin. Check out Zimmerman brakes, in fact here is a link.
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Is zimmerman the OEM supplier for porsche?
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:However, daily driving they are actually beneficial. Drilled rotors have less rotational mass, so therefore better gas mileage
:?:
- D_Eclipse9916 - 03-12-2006
.RJ Wrote:D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Alright, when can I get that benjamin. Check out Zimmerman brakes, in fact here is a link.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.landsharkautomotive.com/performance_brakes.html">http://www.landsharkautomotive.com/perf ... rakes.html</a><!-- m -->
Is zimmerman the OEM supplier for porsche?
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:However, daily driving they are actually beneficial. Drilled rotors have less rotational mass, so therefore better gas mileage
:?:
They used to be on older porsches, I beleive, I am not up to date on wether they are now. I just went by what he said, that ANY crossdrilled rotors were cast, that was the bait and I took it. I definitely do not know much about porsches, especially their brakes, but I know they used to have a problem with the rotors being too soft.
Ohh come on, you can make that connection yourself....less rotational mass, car is less heavy, need less power to push a car that weighs less, need less fuel for less power, so better gas mileage. One of the many reasons I went with lightweight 18s instead of some really blingy 18s. I dont dare run my 18s on the track or autocross, lol too expensive to change tires, but they are nice around town, and I definitely wanted to lose some weight. My stock rims were 17s that weighed 25 pounds a piece, my 5zigens are 18s that weigh 17 pounds a piece, although the rotational mass still is farther away from the hub, which offsets some of the weight loss.
- G.Irish - 03-12-2006
Correct in theory but I don't think a few grams of weight saved per rotor would amount to appreciably better gas mileage.
- Maengelito - 03-12-2006
G.Irish Wrote:Correct in theory but I don't think a few grams of weight saved per rotor would amount to appreciably better gas mileage.
especially when using 18's and putting the weight of those tires further away from the hub. also, considering all the hundreds of pounds of unsprung weight, those few grams wouldnt amount to much. i'll agree that they look bling, but definitely not worth me paying more than $20 per rotor for some autozone blanks. i'm not surprised that the STi brembos are only available through the dealer or probably through brembo. those things are huge, and hopefully i wont have to get new rotors anytime soon. (yay for subaru warranty replacing wear items including my front rotors at 35k miles)
- white_2kgt - 03-12-2006
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:white_2kgt Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:they also cast the holes in rotor so the material isnt weakened by the x-drilling.
If you, or anyone else for that matter, can PROVE there are xdrilled rotors w/ the holes CAST there is a benjamin in it for you.
Promise?
Alright, when can I get that benjamin. Check out Zimmerman brakes, in fact here is a link.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.landsharkautomotive.com/performance_brakes.html">http://www.landsharkautomotive.com/perf ... rakes.html</a><!-- m -->
OH- PS- Isnt it true that you say you shouldnt go with drilled if your driving hard on them as they will crack.. However, daily driving they are actually beneficial. Drilled rotors have less rotational mass, so therefore better gas mileage. They do however reduce pad life. I got them so that they A) look better B) I got mine in a package deal with ss lines and pads for cheap. C) Less rotational mass.
For the sporty guy like me who does autocrosses and daily drives, it is an added advantage to get these rotors. Also, since I decided the GSX will never see (or rarely) road racing courses, I am not worried about too much heat build-up that could crack the rotors.
Not going to cut it. I want to SEE the casting mold (this is actually someone elses challenge that has not yet been answered in over a year
)