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- Rex4life - 03-24-2005
^ zing of the day
i am going to copy and paste that into every forum when this argument comes up barring geralds copywrite approval. very well put
[drools] Lingenfelter mmmmm...
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- JustinG - 03-24-2005
that was a lil more in depth than i had originally planned......but anyways.......mustangs and corvettes suck.
P.S.
I come from hick country where that is all i ever hear about so i have developed a strong hatred for all domestic "muscle" cars. My respect for them still stands, however, i hate most if not all of them with a passion. Just mostly due to lack of respect given to all the non-american manufactured cars out there. For some reason people in my town seem to believe a mustang can beat a Enzo or a Murcielago*sp. Hence my hatred. :roll:
- WRXtranceformed - 03-24-2005
Yah great writeup Gerald. Even though I love a turbocharged 4 engine, i agree that there is no replacement for displacement.
That said, you've seen the EVO FQ400 right ? That's the one they featured in Top Gear walking all over an AWD Murcielago at the track. Granted, that's an $80,000 (or maybe $60,000usd? i'm not sure) EVO with a much bigger turbo than stock.... but it does come with a factory warranty ! I think it also gets like 4 mpg haha.
Like said before, in my opinion it comes down to your personal style... whether you like American muscle or import hotness. I'll bet this new Mustang gives EVOs and STIs a run for their money on the track though =p
- JustinG - 03-24-2005
I know they already give the BMWs a run for their money...Mustang GT track cars cant handle the curves as well but end up leaving the BMWs on the straights. Saw a race on speed channel featuring the two.
- Dragon - 03-24-2005
Exactly, look at the results of the Grand Am Cup race at Daytona back in February. 1st and 2nd places were new mustangs.
- ViPER1313 - 03-24-2005
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Yah great writeup Gerald. Even though I love a turbocharged 4 engine, i agree that there is no replacement for displacement.Did you see the part where it got destroyed by a rental car in a top gear acceleration run :lol: (having no torque blows.)
That said, you've seen the EVO FQ400 right ? That's the one they featured in Top Gear walking all over an AWD Murcielago at the track. Granted, that's an $80,000 (or maybe $60,000usd? i'm not sure) EVO with a much bigger turbo than stock.... but it does come with a factory warranty ! I think it also gets like 4 mpg haha.
Like said before, in my opinion it comes down to your personal style... whether you like American muscle or import hotness. I'll bet this new Mustang gives EVOs and STIs a run for their money on the track though =p
- ScottyB - 03-24-2005
ViPER1313 Wrote:(having no torque blows.)
i think you mean lag :twisted:
evos have a buttload of torque, like 280 lb. ft. i think. but you have to get that hairdryer on the intake to spin up first!
- WRXtranceformed - 03-24-2005
ViPER1313 Wrote:Yeah lol that was funny =pWRXtranceformed Wrote:Yah great writeup Gerald. Even though I love a turbocharged 4 engine, i agree that there is no replacement for displacement.Did you see the part where it got destroyed by a rental car in a top gear acceleration run :lol: (having no torque blows.)
That said, you've seen the EVO FQ400 right ? That's the one they featured in Top Gear walking all over an AWD Murcielago at the track. Granted, that's an $80,000 (or maybe $60,000usd? i'm not sure) EVO with a much bigger turbo than stock.... but it does come with a factory warranty ! I think it also gets like 4 mpg haha.
Like said before, in my opinion it comes down to your personal style... whether you like American muscle or import hotness. I'll bet this new Mustang gives EVOs and STIs a run for their money on the track though =p
LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG B00000000ST !
- ViPER1313 - 03-24-2005
ScottyB Wrote:No, I meant toqrue - it's not fair to say a car has massive turbo lag because you gun it at 30mph in 6th gear and the turbo doesn't spool up. It is fair to say the small engine has no torque (without that huge snail as you pointed out.)ViPER1313 Wrote:(having no torque blows.)
i think you mean lag :twisted:
evos have a buttload of torque, like 280 lb. ft. i think. but you have to get that hairdryer on the intake to spin up first!
- JackoliciousLegs - 03-24-2005
well.. back on topic... lol... that car is hot... but I still probaly would not buy one.
- Sijray21 - 03-24-2005
still not as sexy as the original, but damn...what a fine automobile
- G.Irish - 03-25-2005
I kind of wonder how this car will fit in the lineup. Will this replace the Cobra? If not will the Cobra be more or less extreme than this car? I'd like to see the GT350 be a race ready, stiff ass car for real men. Not that the Cobra isn't hardcore but I want it to me even more hardcore than that. As always though, the big question is weight and I know I'm not going to like the answer. Then again, it'd be the perfect opportunity to take out all sound deadening and use some lightweight materials.
As for the Evo, one that just occurred to me is that homologated specials (performance cars that are simply beefed up versionsof a cheaper mass market car: Evo/Lancer, STi/WRX/RS, Civic/Integra/R, Neon/SRT4) provide a unique opportunity to offer a ton of performance for relatively cheap. Hard to beat the bargain of the Evo or STi
- KPWSerpiente - 03-26-2005
Quote: No, I meant toqrue - it's not fair to say a car has massive turbo lag because you gun it at 30mph in 6th gear and the turbo doesn't spool up. It is fair to say the small engine has no torque (without that huge snail as you pointed out.)
Your statement is just wrong. I'd fly off the hinges about it...but then G would call me out on my anger mangement issues.
Quote:I kind of wonder how this car will fit in the lineup. Will this replace the Cobra? If not will the Cobra be more or less extreme than this car? I'd like to see the GT350 be a race ready, stiff ass car for real men. Not that the Cobra isn't hardcore but I want it to me even more hardcore than that. As always though, the big question is weight and I know I'm not going to like the answer. Then again, it'd be the perfect opportunity to take out all sound deadening and use some lightweight materials.
The sad thing is there is always room in the Mustang lineup for 6 different models...only one of them being hardcore enough for your average enthusiast.
Quote:As for the Evo, one that just occurred to me is that homologated specials (performance cars that are simply beefed up versionsof a cheaper mass market car: Evo/Lancer, STi/WRX/RS, Civic/Integra/R, Neon/SRT4) provide a unique opportunity to offer a ton of performance for relatively cheap. Hard to beat the bargain of the Evo or STi
And the performance gets even better when you put an STi or Evo in its element. Every time I read about another ls1 guy 'dominating' an evo/wrx from a 60mph roll I want to just bitch slap the fuck out of him and ask him if his Camero is ready to run on dirt. Because that is where those cars were meant to compete and out accelerating one from a roll is about as impressive as me out sprinting a marathoner.
-T
- Maengelito - 03-26-2005
KPWSerpiente Wrote:Quote:As for the Evo, one that just occurred to me is that homologated specials (performance cars that are simply beefed up versionsof a cheaper mass market car: Evo/Lancer, STi/WRX/RS, Civic/Integra/R, Neon/SRT4) provide a unique opportunity to offer a ton of performance for relatively cheap. Hard to beat the bargain of the Evo or STi
And the performance gets even better when you put an STi or Evo in its element. Every time I read about another ls1 guy 'dominating' an evo/wrx from a 60mph roll I want to just bitch slap the fuck out of him and ask him if his Camero is ready to run on dirt. Because that is where those cars were meant to compete and out accelerating one from a roll is about as impressive as me out sprinting a marathoner.
-T
lol, well said T
- white_2kgt - 03-26-2005
G.Irish Wrote:I kind of wonder how this car will fit in the lineup. Will this replace the Cobra?
This _IS_ the next cobra. I _really_ hope they make an 'R' version of this one.
--chad
- G.Irish - 03-26-2005
KPWSerpiente Wrote:Your statement is just wrong. I'd fly off the hinges about it...but then G would call me out on my anger mangement issues.You and Evan need to go to an anger management seminar. "Hello, my name is Evan, and I have an anger management problem." "HI EVAN!" "See, it all started when I got rid of my wing...ever since then I've felt so much pent up anxiety and frustration..."
Quote:And the performance gets even better when you put an STi or Evo in its element. Every time I read about another ls1 guy 'dominating' an evo/wrx from a 60mph roll I want to just bitch slap the fuck out of him and ask him if his Camero is ready to run on dirt. Because that is where those cars were meant to compete and out accelerating one from a roll is about as impressive as me out sprinting a marathoner.
In Top Gear's next comparo I'd like them to compare the Evo and STi vs the Viper, Vette, Elise, 997, and F430 on track. Then I'd like them to include an offroad section and see how all of the aforementioned cars do...
If no one had the balls (or money) to do that test, I'd like to see how much of an advantage the AWD bad boys would have in the wet vs. said sports cars. I suspect maybe the F430 could do okay with its advanced traction control system but the Viper and Vette would be at a distinct disadvantage. It'd make for some good viewing though *thumb up*
- Evan - 03-26-2005
G.Irish Wrote:You and Evan need to go to an anger management seminar. "Hello, my name is Evan, and I have an anger management problem." "HI EVAN!" "See, it all started when I got rid of my wing...ever since then I've felt so much pent up anxiety and frustration..."Look you little bitch, I dont have any FUCKING anger managment issues, so go fuck yourself, asshole.
- G.Irish - 03-26-2005
Evan Wrote:G.Irish Wrote:You and Evan need to go to an anger management seminar. "Hello, my name is Evan, and I have an anger management problem." "HI EVAN!" "See, it all started when I got rid of my wing...ever since then I've felt so much pent up anxiety and frustration..."Look you little bitch, I dont have any FUCKING anger managment issues, so go fuck yourself, asshole.
*motions to security* "TASER HIM!"
- JackoliciousLegs - 03-26-2005
G.Irish Wrote:If no one had the balls (or money) to do that test, I'd like to see how much of an advantage the AWD bad boys would have in the wet vs. said sports cars.They did the S4 M3 comparo... S4 DOMINATED in the wet. It was no contest.
They also gave a lambo murcielago to a professional driver and the fat guy took an Evo FQ to see if the Evo could hang with the lambo. The lambo couldn't get anywhere near shaking the evo.
- Maengelito - 03-26-2005
G.Irish Wrote:Evan Wrote:G.Irish Wrote:You and Evan need to go to an anger management seminar. "Hello, my name is Evan, and I have an anger management problem." "HI EVAN!" "See, it all started when I got rid of my wing...ever since then I've felt so much pent up anxiety and frustration..."Look you little bitch, I dont have any FUCKING anger managment issues, so go fuck yourself, asshole.
*motions to security* "TASER HIM!"
lol, this thread is awesome. actually g, i think his anger started well before he got rid of the wing. it probably started when he got his miata and brought it to summit point. you and me rolled up next to him and i said "nice car, fag" to which you started cracking up.