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RE: The MM Network - Apoc - 05-09-2018
How do I feel about lying to a company and obtaining a job under false pretenses? I think the question answers itself.
Instead, tell them it depends on the opportunity and you're willing to consider that opportunity when it arises.
RE: The MM Network - BLINGMW - 05-09-2018
Almost everyone is "willing to relocate" if the price and/or opportunity is insane. So if checking that box improves your chance of getting an offer, great.
RE: The MM Network - Sijray21 - 05-09-2018
(05-09-2018, 08:18 PM)BLINGMW Wrote: Almost everyone is "willing to relocate" if the price and/or opportunity is insane. So if checking that box improves your chance of getting an offer, great.This.
Be honest. No one likes a twist in the terms after the contract (either side).
RE: The MM Network - Sully - 05-09-2018
(05-09-2018, 07:35 PM)Apoc Wrote: How do I feel about lying to a company and obtaining a job under false pretenses? I think the question answers itself.I agree and I wouldn't normally do something as such. I try to be upfront about everything but I feel like I've been cutting my chances down when I tell them I left my last job cause I was terminated. I've since remedied that by adding the landscaping gig to the resume but I'm sure my variety of jobs with no clear direction towards any of the jobs or companies I'd like to work for also hurts my chances. Plus it feels like most of the companies out there now don't really care about the employee. But I need to find something and I guess this probably isn't it. Unfortunately the future wife is the one who refuses to relocate but I was just curious how others felt because I'm sure it happens quite a bit where people say they will relocate and then don't when the time comes.
Instead, tell them it depends on the opportunity and you're willing to consider that opportunity when it arises.
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RE: The MM Network - V1GiLaNtE - 05-10-2018
(05-09-2018, 10:57 PM)Sully Wrote:(05-09-2018, 07:35 PM)Apoc Wrote: How do I feel about lying to a company and obtaining a job under false pretenses? I think the question answers itself.Unfortunately the future wife is the one who refuses to relocate
Instead, tell them it depends on the opportunity and you're willing to consider that opportunity when it arises.
That's a red flag.
RE: The MM Network - ScottyB - 05-10-2018
V1GiLaNtE Wrote:(05-09-2018, 10:57 PM)Sully Wrote: Unfortunately the future wife is the one who refuses to relocateThat's a red flag.
not trying to pile on, and i feel like we've talked about this before either here or on groupme, but if you're at this point of bending the truth for an interview out of desperation, and your SO is telling you "good luck, i've got mine", you're gonna have a bad time.
i hope not, but i've seen this before. get a constructive conversation going about what you both need in life to be content before things get too permanent.
The MM Network - JPolen01 - 05-10-2018
I'm in the opposite camp. I don't think it's unreasonable that she doesn't want to move. If I remember correctly she has an established job and family in the area. Why should she be forced to move? You guys are making it seem like she should drop everything and move whenever Matt wants to go. Should they be on the same page? Sure, but this isn't the 50s she's allowed to say no.
The MM Network - JustinG - 05-10-2018
How are you presenting your termination from your previous employer?
RE: The MM Network - Evan - 05-10-2018
(05-09-2018, 07:29 PM)Sully Wrote: How do you guys feel about telling a company you're willing to relocate when interviewing knowing you're probably not going to when the time comes. It would be a year out but the promotion from a assistant trainee manager to manager kinda depends on going where they need a manager I guess. It's not something I would normally do but getting pretty desperate. Not even hearing back from pretty much all other applications. Of course only reason I heard back from this so fast is cause it was through a staffing agency.
A year is a long time. Even if right now you don't think you could relocate in a year, things change. They could also lay you off in 6 months, have a management position open locally, or reorganize and not require the relocation. Your fiancee could get laid off, or tire of the area. You could get a transfer to someplace awesome where you both would like to live.
I wouldnt outright lie, but saying something like "I wasnt looking to move out of the area but I have nothing holding me to this area so I could make the move for the right opportunity"
If they read through the lines and dont accept you, so be it, you were being honest. If they do accept you, your conscience is clean.
and FWIW Ive had companies promise X 100 times in the interview process and a week or less after Im hired do complete opposite of X.
The MM Network - Sully - 05-10-2018
Yes her family is in area and she likes where she works and the area itself. It's also not likei even have an interview let alone an offer so she can express her view on not wanting to relocate. Maybe it sounde like it wasn't a discussion. I asked her how she feels about it and she said she wants to stay in the area for awhile. I'm not really big on relocating myself and the company is saying you get two to 3 times you starting salary when you do relocate so I'm sure that's an extreme case and the company isn't exactly being honest itself.
On the point of companies not doing what they say either, my last company said you'd work 40 to 45 hours a week. Almost every week the entire time I was there, was a minimum of just over 45 but most of the time, it was closer to 55 or more plus a to of other things that changed after I was hired and they got short staffed and refusedto hire more people because it made their bottom line look better.
Justin, I've been telling the truth. "I was terminated due to a motor vehicle accident". Some of the interviewers have asked more about it and I explain how my managers didn't want to let me go but their hands were tied as well as explain the circumstances of the accident. Not that it probably helps
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RE: The MM Network - Apoc - 05-10-2018
(05-10-2018, 12:53 PM)JPolen01 Wrote: I'm in the opposite camp. I don't think it's unreasonable that she doesn't want to move. If I remember correctly she has an established job and family in the area. Why should she be forced to move? You guys are making it seem like she should drop everything and move whenever Matt wants to go. Should they be on the same page? Sure, but this isn't the 50s she's allowed to say no.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
No one said she can't say no. "Refuses to relocate" was what he said and the absolution of it is what people are reacting to. What if he got his dream job but it required relocation? You'd at least want a spouse that's willing to have the discussion... which, based on his most recent post, makes it sounds like they did.
(05-10-2018, 01:33 PM)Sully Wrote: she said she wants to stay in the area for awhile.
RE: The MM Network - .RJ - 05-10-2018
(05-10-2018, 12:53 PM)JPolen01 Wrote: Sure, but this isn't the 50s she's allowed to say no.
I'm sure the new house would have a kitchen, too.
RE: The MM Network - V1GiLaNtE - 05-11-2018
(05-10-2018, 01:51 PM)Apoc Wrote:(05-10-2018, 12:53 PM)JPolen01 Wrote: I'm in the opposite camp. I don't think it's unreasonable that she doesn't want to move. If I remember correctly she has an established job and family in the area. Why should she be forced to move? You guys are making it seem like she should drop everything and move whenever Matt wants to go. Should they be on the same page? Sure, but this isn't the 50s she's allowed to say no.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
No one said she can't say no. "Refuses to relocate" was what he said and the absolution of it is what people are reacting to. What if he got his dream job but it required relocation? You'd at least want a spouse that's willing to have the discussion... which, based on his most recent post, makes it sounds like they did.
(05-10-2018, 01:33 PM)Sully Wrote: she said she wants to stay in the area for awhile.
Thank god somebody was level-headed enough to counter the unnecessary gender card play. It wasn't a matter of man vs. woman. It was a your partner has expressed that she refuses to relocate and sounds like that was the end of the discussion when instead it should be a two way conversation. It shouldn't be any different if it was two women, two men, or a man and a woman. That gender card shit is exactly what's wrong with the world today and makes the implication that I'm some sort of sexist prick that thinks women should stay in the kitchen and listen to their husbands.
/triggered
The MM Network - Sully - 05-11-2018
Damn. I should have just worded my post more carefully. I guess she didn't refuse. But she said she did not want to and that's pretty much a no which I think is synonymous with refuse. But keep in mind, this is not my dream job. Nor do I even know if I'd make it past the interview and get an offer or if I'd even make it a year to need to relocate so I feel the conversation would be different if I came to her and said this is my dream job and it's something that's really important to me. And I'll be making 120k a year, I'm sure she'd be more open to moving.
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RE: The MM Network - ScottyB - 05-11-2018
yeah sorry if i misunderstood with my original comment. i probably ASSume too much in the first place. just want to see you end up in a situation you're happy with, and trust me i've been in the "need to get SOME kinda job, pronto" position before in the past when i was starting out.
RE: The MM Network - Steve85 - 06-25-2018
(04-23-2017, 08:51 PM)JustinG Wrote: Wife works for Wells Fargo as well, pays to know people when you are seeking out a job :thumbup:
For those of you seeking out opportunities in Richmond let me know, I have contacts with some of the larger employees here as well as some legitimate recruiters who can find opportunities in RVA. Not the call center based recruiters who spam your inbox with shit opportunities.
Also really awesome to see people wanting to make their way down here. We absolutely love the area, and if you have questions lemme know. Only other place we would consider would be Charlotte, which happens to have a large Wells Fargo presence.
Soooo do you or Casey happen to know anyone in fraud or deposit loss prevention departments? My daughter is currently in Norman, OK and is desperately trying to get back east. Because Oklahoma. She is currently a Deposit Loss Prevention Lead Analyst and has been recognized a few times for major finds.
Please let me know if you know anyone or have any advice. She's afraid her OK address is killing her chances given the number of local candidates the banks likely have to choose from.
The MM Network - JustinG - 06-25-2018
If by East, would Charlotte work, WF has a big presence there.
Casey is now with Cap One and they have big offices here in RVA
If you shoot me a resume I'll see what we have out there.
Jgallamore at gmail
The MM Network - JPolen01 - 06-25-2018
In the meantime I would advise her to remove her address from her resume. There is no reason it needs to be on there. It could be scaring people off.
If her skill set is attractive to a recruiter then she will likely get a phone screening and can explain her situation of wanting to relocate (on her own dime).
"If you’d like to relocate for work, you probably already know it’s best to leave your current address off your resume. However, it’s becoming increasingly common for professionals to remove this information, regardless of their target location. If you’re searching for a position in your current location and want employers to know you’re a local candidate, include your city and state. However, leave your street address off to protect yourself from potential identity theft."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theladders.com/career-advice/things-you-should-never-put-on-your-resume/amp
RE: The MM Network - Ryan T - 06-25-2018
Steve, shoot her resume to me too, my sister is VP of Internet Channel Delivery at Wells Fargo, she might know someone as well.
RE: The MM Network - Steve85 - 06-25-2018
Awesome, thanks guys! I'll send it over as soon as I get it.
And yeah, by east coast she's pretty much looking mid-Atlantic.
She did take her address off a few months ago and it seems to be helping get through the initial screening but it still comes up on the calls. She has a call tomorrow with Ally for a position in Philly so we'll see how that goes.